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Meanwhile in Iraq ...
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, November 01, 2008

Now known as the "forgotten war", at least in this election:
The U.S. monthly troop death toll in Iraq is down by almost 50 percent so far in October, a sign of growing security gains across the nation.
That death toll was 13, 6 of which were non-combat related.

Iraqi civilian deaths were down considerably as well.

Another province was turned over to the Iraqis leaving only 5 of the 18 still to be turned over.

Stability and a relative normalcy seems to be returning to Iraq.
 
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Written By: shark
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Except, of course, the Sunnis run Sunni areas, the Kurds run their areas, and Iraqi Shi’ites impose Islamic rule. The Iraqi government and military is heavily infiltrated by Iran, who has ordered them to keep quiet to help force the US out so Iran can work more closely with its new Iraqi ally. The US is having trouble getting a SOFA agreement and might not! All the death, the major cost to the US budget, the lives ruined, both in Iraq and military families suffering due to PSTD, broken families, widows...all so Iran could gain in power, the US could lose its place center on the world stage, and the economic problems would be worse than ever. Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history, and the cost is immense. Anyone who thinks that because Iran is trying to give us a chance for peace with honor that this could be seen as anything worthwhile simply does not understand world events or what’s going on in Iraq. Iran won. We paid a heavy price. For what? Islamic rule in a de facto divided Iraq, the American families and economy suffering.

That’s why in every debate Iraq was a winning issue for Obama. The anti-war side has defined what this war was, and the pro-war side looks silly trying to pretend it was worthwhile. In fact, I’m amazed by how rarely conservatives even defend the war any more. They know it was a mistake.
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Written By: Scott Erb
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All because of Barack Obama. He promised to end this war. Well, the war is all but ended. I suppose we should thank him. All of the history books written by our current Acedemia certainly will.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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Erb, thanks for that cut-n-paste from the last 50 times you’ve made a comment about Iraq. Do you ever come up with any new material?
 
Written By: JWG
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Small Steps there Erb. Small steps!
 
Written By: SShiell
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WOW...Erb is taking MK’s best lines

 
Written By: shark
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The anti-war side has defined what this war was, and the pro-war side looks silly trying to pretend it was worthwhile.
Prof. Erb — Yes, you have said this before repeatedly and that is the propaganda drum beat of the anti-war movement. It’s just a set of slogans that you and others repeat over and over again. It has worked, as you note, but that doesn’t make it true. And you are a propagandist in that movement.
Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history, and the cost is immense.
Yep. There’s that drumbeat — no support except to note that the Iraq War is expensive in blood and treasure. However, all wars are expensive, as you must know having taken a history courses or two somewhere in your journey to being a professor of international relations. However, in comparison with just about any major war of the last 100 years, the Iraq War has been a remarkable trade-off.

We have a liberated ~25 million people from one of the most vicious dictators of the past fifty years. A fair proportion of those people — the Kurds certainly — are deeply grateful. We have eliminated the WMD threats that dictator posed. We have elminated the possibility of further attacks on his neighbors. We have also, though it wasn’t the initial intention, destroyed a large hunk of al-Qaeda and much of its credibility in the Muslim world. How the Iraq War plays out is something history will have to judge.

I could go on. But you know all this stuff yet you continue to pretend you don’t. You are dishonest and that is why you are despised in this blog.

It’s fine with me that you disagree whether the Iraq War was worth it. That’s a perfectly legitimate position IMO and I think most participants in QandO would agree. It’s not OK that you continue to repeat hyperbolic propaganda: "Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history."
 
Written By: huxley
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Well, if it would make Erbie happy, maybe the next war we should remember the old adage, "Pillage first, Burn second, and Rape third - it’s more romantic by firelight!"

After all, we want to finish in the black, dontchaknow.
 
Written By: The Gonzman
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" Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history"

This is complete nonsense. Only someone with minimal knowledge of U.S. history would even make such a ridiculous assertion. Iraq isn’t even a disaster, let alone the worst of anything.

"I’m amazed by how rarely conservatives even defend the war any more. They know it was a mistake."

You apparently don’t know many conservatives.
 
Written By: David C.
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"Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history, and the cost is immense."

I could understand this coming from youngsters who don’t know we lost in Vietnam. 50,000 dead. A war started and escalated by Democrats and ended by a Republican. (Despite Kerry’s claim it was "Nixon’s War."

Oh, and after all that death and despair, Vietnam under communism was not any freer than under any dictator we supported, and now they are slowly reforming to become capitalists. (Note that the countries where we supported anti-communist dictators, like Philippines, Taiwan, Korea, are already democracies and much wealthier than Vietnam.)

Question: anybody know if healthcare in Vietnam is better than in Cuba? I don’t think so.
 
Written By: Harun
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Except, of course, the Sunnis run Sunni areas, the Kurds run their areas, and Iraqi Shi’ites impose Islamic rule. See, benificent authoritarians ought to be running the whole thing. It can’t be successful otherwise. We wise leftists know that this stuff about communities running themselves is just rightie individualistic nonsense.

The Iraqi government and military is heavily infiltrated by Iran, who has ordered them to keep quiet to help force the US out so Iran can work more closely with its new Iraqi ally. I’m telling you, those Iraqis just can’t wait to give it all up to the Iranians. Freedom, bah! Who needs it? Religion trumps everything over there, and the Shiite Iraqis are just quivering to give in to their Iranian masters. Forget this Arab vs. Persian thing, and the whole idea that maybe the Iraqis would like to run their own country. Iran has secret mind-altering powers that mean they will ultimately triumph in the end. I decree it.

The US is having trouble getting a SOFA agreement and might not! That’s right, Iraq might actually assert their own control! I mean, really, what’s the point of conquering a country if you can’t assert your own control.

All the death, the major cost to the US budget, the lives ruined, both in Iraq and military families suffering due to PSTD, broken families, widows...all so Iran could gain in power, the US could lose its place center on the world stage, and the economic problems would be worse than ever. And don’t start up with those Vietnam comparisons, you hear! Just don’t start! Iraq was far worse than Vietnam! I decree it!! And as I’ve already said, I also decree that Iran will be the only victor out of this, and anyone who says otherwise is a dense rightie that just can’t appreciate my godlike powers of political science.

I just grieve over all the death, and as I’ve been saying all year long, I suspect the violence is going to increase later this year. I mean, I know the year is almost over, but the violence is going to increase! It just has to! And I’m not either salivating at the possibility of more violence so I can be proven right! Stop saying that!!

Iraq was the biggest foreign policy disaster in US history. The biggest, do you hear? I decree it! It just has to be the biggest because otherwise my entire worldview would be proven wrong, and the holy gods of post-modernism assert that such an outcome is impossible. Wise leftists are always right because only we can establish narratives and sort through the multiple truths to arrive at the one everyone else must adopt.

And the cost is immense. Much bigger than anything Obama, my messiah, sorry, I mean my candidate is proposing. Stop adding up those numbers from the Obama speeches! Iraq is worse, I tell you!

Anyone who thinks that because Iran is trying to give us a chance for peace with honor that this could be seen as anything worthwhile simply does not understand world events or what’s going on in Iraq. Only we wise leftists understand what’s going on. Iran won. Yes, I know I’ve said that a thousand times, but you dense righties just won’t listen. Iraq won, Iraq won, Iraq won!!! I decree it, I tell you! Those Persian Shiites with their mind-control rays can’t be beaten in the Middle East. We wise leftists have been saying it for years, so by the holy writ of post-modernism, it absolutely must be true.

We paid a heavy price. For what? Islamic rule in a de facto divided Iraq, the American families and economy suffering. And if we had not gone in there, it would have been sweetness and light, and Iraqi children would be riding their unicorns to enlightened schools that merged the ancient wisdom of Islam with modern concepts of pacifism and post-modernism, and the Middle East would have been a paradise. Why did we have to stop that? Why, why, why?

That’s why in every debate Iraq was a winning issue for Obama. The anti-war side has defined what this war was, using our operatives in the media, and when the violence dropped to the point that it might have looked like Iraq had a ghost of a chance of succeeding, we on the left with our media colleagues changed the debate to other areas so that such a complete coincidence would never accidentally give any support for dense rightie positions. And the pro-war side looks silly trying to pretend it was worthwhile, when we control the media.

In fact, I’m amazed by how rarely conservatives even defend the war any more. They know it was a mistake. Well, at least I don’t hear any conservatives in the faculty lounge or at the health-food store defending it. Nor any on CNN or PBS. You see! They’re afraid to defend it because they know that we wise leftists are so much smarter and wiser and they hang their heads as they realize that we were right all along. Even though the violence has virtually vanished, and Iraq is peaceful and has a high economic growth rate, IT WAS ALL A MISTAKE I TELL YOU!! IT HAS TO BEEEEE!!!!!!!
 
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Classic!
 
Written By: meagain
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I’m amazed by how rarely conservatives even defend the war any more. They know it was a mistake.
We don’t need to defend success, Professor Tool.

You on the other hand, are still fighting a war you LOST a year ago.
If only it cost you in blood and treasure maybe you’d shut the hell up but your continued sorry drumbeating, like your entire life, is a demonstration that talk is cheap.
 
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