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Russia Congratulates Obama with a Threat (update)
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, November 05, 2008

Well that didn't take long:
In a wide-ranging attack on the United States as it elected a new president, the Russian leader Dmitri A. Medvedev warned on Wednesday that Moscow might deploy short-range missiles in the Baltic region to counter a perceived threat from a proposed American missile defense shield in eastern Europe.

[...]

Mr. Medvedev did not specifically congratulate Mr. Obama on his victory, saying only that he hoped that “our partners — the new U.S. administration — will make a choice in favor of full-fledged relationship with Russia.”

At the same time, however, he spoke of a “new configuration for the military forces of our country” that would include abandoning plans to dismantle some missile regiments and the stationing of missiles in Russia’s Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad.

“We earlier planned to take three missile regiments within the missile division stationed in Kozelsk off combat duty and discontinue the division itself by 2010. I have decided to refrain from these plans,” Mr. Medvedev said.

“The Iskander missile system will be deployed in Kaliningrad region to neutralize, when necessary, the missile shield,” Medvedev said.
As I mentioned a week or so ago, it doesn't at all surprise me that Russia makes the first move in the international version of the "let's test Obama" game.

Oh and Georiga? Well here's the Russian rationalization for that:
The fighting in Georgia was “among other things, the result of the arrogant course of the U.S. administration which hates criticism and prefers unilateral decisions,” Medvedev said, according to news reports.
The devil made them do it (the "Great Satan" in ME lingo).

And the financial crisis:
He said Washington’s belief in “its own opinion as the only right and indisputable one” had “in the final account led the United States to economic blunders.”
Of course the arrogant Russian decision to invade Georgia had no effect on Russian markets did it?

One thing to keep in mind as the term "global recession" begins to be bandied about, conflict is much more likely in that sort of atmosphere.

But don't let me harsh your mellow today with news from the real world.

UPDATE:
The left still trying to blame Bush.
 
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I’m not surprised. Biden warned us there’d be trouble if Obama got elected. I figured he was right because Obama is obviously one of the unluckiest guys in politics. I mean, clearly he’s not a socialist himself (or so his supporters have assured us, and they wouldn’t lie), yet his whole career, everywhere he goes, he ends up in the company of socialists and communists! Juding by Michelle’s "liberal fascist" rhetoric, he even married one! It must have been hell for him, such an obvious libertarian, always winding up with the wrong crowd. You just know a guy that unlucky, once elected president, is going to be a veritable lightning-rod for international crises.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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Oh it sure is going to be a ride these next 4 years....
 
Written By: shark
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Oh it sure is going to be a ride these next 4 years....
Yep, it will be fun. Jack Bauer is probably going to move to Canada due to overwork.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Thanks McQ, for bringing me back to reality. For a few hours there I, too, thought I was in Guyana. Bring on the PBR.
 
Written By: t-ark
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It’s really too bad that guy Bush wandered off and disappeared before his term was over. Maybe you hunt him up so he can deal with this.
 
Written By: Kathryn Cramer
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Rainbow-farting unicorns will take care of this on Jan 20.
 
Written By: Is
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As most of the people in my office (uusually the uneducated ones) will tell you, God chose Obama to be president. So if God chose Obama, God will protect and guide him. Hallelujah!
 
Written By: Bilwick
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I blame Bush.
 
Written By: Just saying
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I blame Bush.
HA! im stealing that one.
 
Written By: josh b
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Man! You really have to admire the subtlety and smoothness by which the Russians operate. Are they slick, or what?
 
Written By: Dale Franks
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Come on. Russia has a modern bureaucracy. This announcement isn’t a reaction; policy decisions take weeks to grind their way through approvals and rollout.

Furthermore, Russia has been making a variety of missile-related promises and threats throughout the past six months (and probably more).
 
Written By: glasnost
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Come on. Russia has a modern bureaucracy. This announcement isn’t a reaction; policy decisions take weeks to grind their way through approvals and rollout.
Is it possible this could have been planned weeks ago in the case obama wins? Kind of like how the Georgia conflict had already been planned and was pulled off the shelf at the opportune moment...
 
Written By: Is
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In related news, Hamas celebrates Sen. Obama’s victory...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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It’s really too bad that guy Bush wandered off and disappeared before his term was over. Maybe you hunt him up so he can deal with this
< Turnabout is fair play mode: >

"Bush is going to leave Obama a detailed plan on how to handle this threat, and if Obama ignores it, that’s his own fault!"


/mode off

HEH.

WOW - just hours in, and already such a target-rich environment
 
Written By: shark
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Come on. Russia has a modern bureaucracy. This announcement isn’t a reaction; policy decisions take weeks to grind their way through approvals and rollout.
Give it a rest ’nost - Medvedev answers to Putin (and not the other way around) and no one else. To believe this was "considered" and run through the bureaucracy flys in the face of recent Russian activities and statements. Russia’s "bureaucracy" defines the term "rubber stamp" - that is until the "new, best, most ethical Congress the US has ever had" convenes in ’09.
Furthermore, Russia has been making a variety of missile-related promises and threats throughout the past six months (and probably more).
Uh huh ... that doesn’t answer the "why" of the timing of the announcement does it?
 
Written By: McQ
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Uh huh ... that doesn’t answer the "why" of the timing of the announcement does it?
This will be fun won’t it.

Mix the naivety of JFK with the butt headed stupidity of Jimmy Carter.

 
Written By: capt joe
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This will be fun won’t it.

Mix the naivety of JFK with the butt headed stupidity of Jimmy Carter.
Then add a Democrat-heavy Congress and Clinton-era diplomats. Bring to a simmer, stirring constantly. Scum will form but DO NOT remove. It’s vital to the final dish.
 
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Hey Arcs - aren’t you forgetting to add the "bitters" - WOW, keep it coming!!!!!
 
Written By: t-ark
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Not too worry, guys. The Annointed One will sit down with Medvedev - with NO preconditions - and clear this up in a matter of minutes. After all, the only reason that people in the world hate us is because of Bush and his arrogant, unilateralist diplomacy. Once Medvedev sits down across the table from our new president, once he sees The Annointed One reach out to him and fully understand his feelings and problems, once he gets his tax cut, once he feels the full effect of an Obamasm, he’ll not only reverse his missile plans, but even send Russian contractors to Georgia to rebuild the country gratis.

/ sarc

By the way, anybody else see the news reports that there’s been a run on Russian language dictionaries and tapes in Warsaw since yesterday?

/ sarc (maybe)

t-ark - Hey Arcs - aren’t you forgetting to add the "bitters" - WOW, keep it coming!!!!!

Top it with an MSM sugar coat, and serve with a dish of GOP sour grapes.
 
Written By: docjim505
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i hope all the Obama supporters that threw him in my face for the past 9 months brought their camping gear! its gonna be a wild trip!
 
Written By: JB
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To believe this was "considered" and run through the bureaucracy flys in the face of recent Russian activities and statements.
This is an announcement about, among other things, the deployment of missiles. The proposal started in Russia’s strategic defense forces, probably. It went through several layers of army leadership and polituburo-like vettings before it got near either Putin or Medevev.

It’s theoretically possible that it could have started with either of them - but it still would have gone through the departments of the army responsible for actually deploying the missiles.

You’re seriously underestimating the bureaucratization of the russian state and overestimating degree to which all related actions result from central control, directly. I gamed the Russian Natl Strategic bureaucracy from open sources within the last year.

It’s also theoretically possible that there is no plan, and no one else in the Russian government heard of this or considered this idea today, and Putin invented it at midnight last night, and in the next few days the armed forces will scramble around trying to come up with an actual operational plan. I think that’s unlikely, since Russia has taken a steady stream of anti-missile shield actions since, at minimum, the slow death of Putin’s counterproposal to use Russian sites and systems in Kazakhstan instead of Poland/Czech.

Someone might have decided in advance that election day would make a great time to slip this announcement in with less press, but it’s very, very unlikely that this decision or announcement had anything to do with Barack Obama beating McCain, or that it was conditional on his victory.
 
Written By: glasnost
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Sure glasnost. The Russians should’ve done a Friday night document dump to avoid the news cycle!

This announcement isn’t for the press. It is for an audience of one.
"I gamed the Russian Natl Strategic bureaucracy from open sources within the last year"
Yeah B12 - you sank my battleship. There’s the only game you’re qualified for
 
Written By: shark
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This is an announcement about, among other things, the deployment of missiles. The proposal started in Russia’s strategic defense forces, probably.
More likely it was initiated by Putin, staffed by defense for validation of the tactical aspects and then when validated, put in his pocket for use when he felt it was most appropriate.
You’re seriously underestimating the bureaucratization of the russian state ...
And you’re seriously overestimating it and its role.

This isn’t a "bureaucratic" decision, nor is this something a bureaucracy would initiate. This is a leadership decision - there there’s only one leader in Russia. Medvedev just happens to be his mouthpiece.
 
Written By: McQ
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Mix the naivety of JFK with the butt headed stupidity of Jimmy Carter.
And FDR’s communism.
 
Written By: Don
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If McCain were the incoming President Glas would be claiming Russia was responding to his election with a test and this was the result of Dumbf*ckistan America (that is, the midwest and South) electing another Republican President.

 
Written By: looker
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Don’t underestimate the intelligence of the Russians, the timing and the tone is no accident. Putin is one of the smartest men around. And as is typical of most Americans they foolishly believe our press. They don’t report everything and they are slanted and biased. Some of you have forgotten that Georgia started that conflict, not Moscow.

The other one not to underestimate is Obama, with a largly democratic house AND senate, he may be able to do more than talk. All of our worlds will be different one way or the other because of this election... cross your fingers boys, it’s gonna be a bumpy ride.
 
Written By: Me
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Some of you have forgotten that Georgia started that conflict, not Moscow.
How so? By invading its own country? And if so, then why was Russia mobilizing for the effort weeks prior to Georgia’s supposed provocation? And what were all those volleys of ammunition doing coming out of Tskhinvali before Georgia did anything at all?

We haven’t forgotten anything.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Georgia did not invade it’s own country. South Ossetia gained independence by breaking away from Georgia in 1992 and it’s people are now considered Russian citizens as well as some also having Georgian citizenship but they are not part of the country of Georgia. South Ossetta has been struggling to be formally recognized as seperate teritory ever since the break. Georgia refuses to use the name South Ossetia, and calls it Samachablo or Tskhinvali which make some of the news reports a little confusing to decipher.

A region over there is similar to a state here in the US. The South Osseta break is is mostly an ethnic issue. They have lived in that region since the 1400’s and would like to be reunited with thier ethnic brethren in North Ossetia. North Ossetia is an autonomous republic within the Russian Federation.

After several skirmishes over the summer, Georgia invaded South Ossetia just before midnight on Aug 7, 2008 and started killing people in mass. They launched ground and air attacks. Their president intentionally started this the first day of the Olympics in order to get more press. They were killing civilians indiscriminatly not just military targets. There are reports that the Georgians had started flooding basements so the people had to flee in order to breathe rather than drown.

Russia waited 24 hours before stepping in to help. The help they provided was per their treaty agreement as well as an attempt to protect Russian citizens. However, they went over board in thier reaction. It truly did not need a full scale military action to put things back in order. Because of this, Russia has formally recognized South Ossetia and Abkhazia and has renewed their pledged to defend their citizens.

Rather than condeming the actions of the people of Georgia for attacking South Ossetia, the press and the governments turned this around and made the Russians out to be the agressors. Russia did not start this, Georgia did. Russia just ended it.


 
Written By: Me
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Did I just fall back into 1983 with all the marxist kiddies defending the Soviet’s Empire building? Wow, what a flashback.
 
Written By: jpm100
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Did I just fall back into 1983 with all the marxist kiddies defending the Soviet’s Empire building? Wow, what a flashback.
Idiots like Glasnost have always been in love with the Soviet Union no matter how many of its own citizens it murdered.


 
Written By: capt joe
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Wow... last time I was there, in May of this year, it was no longer a soviet/communist country. It is no longer the Soviet Union, but the Russian Federation. Not a democracy as we see it but they are moving forward. They are certianly working withing the realm of capitalism. That being said, I still would always want to be on the right side of the law there.

And while it may be very exciting to live in Moscow or St. Petersburg now with the new found wealth and freedoms, most of the regions are still recovering from the colapse of the Soviet Union and get paid pitiful wages for their work. I spent most of my time in a region that didn’t have decent drinking water. I know a hardworking woman that works full time to help support her family and never complains. This beautiful woman always had a smile on her face. She takes home $42 a month.

The Russian’s are trying to make a come back and posturing, but they truly have bigger issues to worry about other than what people think about them. Of course they are a very proud nation and will never call us up and ask for help. Stubborn I think is the right word. Like I said before, don’t believe everything you read in the press, they just aren’t trust worthy.
 
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Um, that wasn’t me re: georgia. But there’s never a bad time to start! Saakashvili had been salivating in public declarations that he would reclaim South Ossetia by any means neccessary. It was an election promise, and a popular one. The Georgians moved troops towards the border in the previous weeks. So did the Russians. And we don’t know who started moving first, but we know the georgians were blowing up civilians in Ossetia’s capital - for about 1/2 a day, before they were evicted.

You can find these facts unpleasant, but that doesn’t make them false.

That doesn’t make the Russians not an aggressive, calculating predator looking to punish Georgia. It just means that the Georgians were stupid enough to think they could out-Russian the Russians. They were wrong.


PS: Think of it as the Russian Monroe doctrine and you’ll get it.
 
Written By: glasnost
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"most of the regions are still recovering from the colapse of the Soviet Union"

And of course everything was just wonderful in the Worker’s Paradise of the SU, eh? Good food, plenty of toilet paper, excellent roads and infrastructure, etc. All of which has disappeared without a trace since 1989, leaving only fond memories of the good old days.
 
Written By: timactual
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but we know the georgians were blowing up civilians in Ossetia’s capital
bullsh$t. That has been proven false already. Better to get your news from other than Russian sources. That was the spin story that Russian military generated to get useful idiots like you to carry their war.
Virtually everyone is wrong. Georgia didn’t start it on August 7, nor on any other date. The South Ossetian militia started it on August 6 when its fighters fired on Georgian peacekeepers and Georgian villages with weapons banned by the agreement hammered out between the two sides in 1994. At the same time, the Russian military sent its invasion force bearing down on Georgia from the north side of the Caucasus Mountains on the Russian side of the border through the Roki tunnel and into Georgia. This happened before Saakashvili sent additional troops to South Ossetia and allegedly started the war.
As for South Ossetia, it was still part of Georgia and had been for some time.
There was a virtual blackout of information on Russian TV about attacks by Russian forces on targets in Georgia, including bombs dropped in the vicinity of the capital city, Tbilisi. Instead, Russian viewers have been shown horrific scenes of destruction in the South Ossetian capital, Tskhinvali, as well as interviews with distraught refugees. They relate stories of Georgian troops throwing grenades or running over civilians with tanks, and deliberately flooding basements to force women and children out of safe havens.

William Dunbar is a British citizen who worked as Tbilisi correspondent for Russia Today, Moscow’s international English-language television service. Dunbar resigned his position Saturday when the broadcaster refused to air his reports after he informed viewers on live TV that Russian warplanes had bombed the central Georgian city of Gori. "I felt that I could no longer work for them because there was no real way that I could be able to report the facts, and they did not really want to know what was really going on in Georgia if it did not sort of fit with the agenda that they were trying to put out," Dunbar said.
I just can’t figure out clowns like you.
 
Written By: capt joe
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And of course everything was just wonderful in the Worker’s Paradise of the SU, eh? Good food, plenty of toilet paper, excellent roads and infrastructure, etc. All of which has disappeared without a trace since 1989, leaving only fond memories of the good old days.
No, things weren’t what they should have been then either, that’s why the Soviets are no longer running the show. But to take a system from one extreme to another means there will be a lot of things falling through the cracks. Their infrastructure is in very bad shape, and that is in large part due to the shift. Water, roads, hospitals, buildings and so on all need attention. Some locations are so poverty stricken they resemble 3rd world countries. The further you get from the major cities the worse it gets.

Their average age has dropped due to poor medical care, and their birth rate has slowed because parents don’t want to have children they aren’t able to feed. The result is a rapidly declining population.

Their "free" press isn’t as free as one would hope, then again ours tends to have an agenda too. Don’t trust what you read. But I have family that is Russian, and I know that the people living there are good loving people. That being said, there are old habits that have not changed. There is still an undercurrent there. Their police are still feared. And don’t expect the government in Russia to do anything accidently. They do have an enormously heavy bureaucracy, but they are also very careful as to how they do and say things in public. Those comments were planned, and not off the cuff.

As far as South Ossetia goes, it depends on who you talk to if they are independent or not. Stop asking the Georgians and stop asking the Russians and start ask the people that live in the region in question. South Ossetia has been supporting themselves financially for 15 years and the people living in South Ossetia believe themselves to be independent as of 1992, and that has to count for something.
useful idiots
Be careful with this phrase, it is a two way street. The fact is we don’t have all the info, we have what certain government entities on opposite sides want us to have. Somewhere in the middle, lies only part of the truth. The honest answer is we will never know exactly what happened.
 
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