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To the rest of the world - get stuffed!
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, November 06, 2008

I can't begin to put into word my disgust with this Sally Fields-ish "you like me, you really do" attitude of some Americans. I really don't care one whit what the rest of the world thinks of me as an American as long as I'm satisfied with being one.

And I'm well satisfied.

I also want to make the point that the fickle and condescending (aren't we good little boys and girls to have done something not even one European country has yet done) rest of the world which is now "celebrating" America and gushing about how it is cool to be an American again, will, in very short order, fall back into their inherent anti-Americanism as soon as the new administration does something they don't like.

And it will.

Count on it and remember I told you so.

[HT: Don]
 
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Thank you!

I’m so sick of Europe and their "America must atone for their racial sins" garbage. Where’s the black man running France?

The world loves us...........when we’re weak.

 
Written By: shark
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Meanwhile, France did have, as President, a man who complained loudly about "the noise and the smells" emanating from the predominantly African-Muslim neighborhoods of Sarcelles while he was Mayor of Paris.

The Zeropeen intelligentzia and their poseur factota can go get bent.
 
Written By: CR
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This shows the rest of the world that America is realizing it’s days of thinking itself able to do what it wants without consequences is over. It’s a new era. Globalization is real, and the US needs to work with the rest of the world rather than pretend we’re above them. So get used to it. America and the world are not the same as they were 20 years ago. That change is permanent.
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Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Prof. Erb — This is all a matter of degree which you typically present as black and white, then use as a stick to beat the groups you disagree with you. In other words: more drum beat, more propaganda.

The US, including the Bush administration, has not been free of thinking of the consequences of its actions and working with the rest of the world since WWII and probably earlier.
 
Written By: huxley
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The question is where does the US or any nation draw the line as it conducts itself in the world? Should we defer all our decisions—including how much American citizens eat as comrade Obama would have it—to Europe, to some other group of nations, to the UN, to global polls?

That’s obviously silly. At some point any nation will make choices that displease other nations. Like so many things, it’s a question of trade-offs.

Following Erb’s logic, we should throw Israel to the wolves because our nearly lone support for that tiny democracy displeases most of the world according to countless UN votes.
 
Written By: huxley
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Over the past 6 years or so after hearing the constant harping against Bush I thought it may be best for the liberals to be in total charge so that people can actually see them for who they really are.

Sadly that first part is about to come true. No clue if the 2nd half will come to pass and if it does if the damage can be reversed.




 
Written By: retired military
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Following Erb’s logic, we should throw Israel to the wolves because our nearly lone support for that tiny democracy displeases most of the world according to countless UN votes.
Hell, throw Iraq, Afghanistan, Colombia, etc. into the fire as well. We’ve already sacrificed Georgia on that altar.

What difference does the freedom of a hundred million people make? As long as we respect our betters.
 
Written By: CR
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This shows the rest of the world that America is realizing it’s days of thinking itself able to do what it wants without consequences is over. Yes, we’ve been riding roughshod over the world too long. Heck we even managed to coerce the UN and NATO into going along with our mad schemes, which shows just how far our power has extended. Thank goodness that’s over.

And that Bush. Never any consideration for the consequences, none at all. Why, I had a lot of trouble getting my fine German colleagues to come and visit campus because they were so incensed at Bush. Think about the consequences - my study of international relations, particularly with Germany which I am an expert at, was seriously compromised. It ought to be obvious to anyone that freedom for 100 million people and lowering the chance of nuclear terrorism isn’t worth making Europeans mad.

It’s a new era. Globalization is real, and the US needs to work with the rest of the world rather than pretend we’re above them. We’re not. We’re below them. So get used to it. America and the world are not the same as they were 20 years ago. The left has pretty much established the terms of the debate, and all this "we must defend ourselves" stuff is history. If the rest of the world wants to screw us for our sins and our privilege, then our task is to bend over and take it. That change is permanent.
 
Written By: Ott Scerb
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After it was clear that the surge had worked and before the financial meltdown, the left was left with one main criticism of the Bush administration: some people in the world did not like us as much as they did before the Iraq War.

If one thinks about it at all, that is a profoundly unserious criticism.

Is that really what foreign policy comes down to? Making sure that everyone, or mostly everyone, likes us?

What would you think of an individual who lived his or her life on that basis?

As CR implies, there are other issues at stake than pleasing majorities.
 
Written By: huxley
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This shows the rest of the world that America is realizing it’s days of thinking itself able to do what it wants without consequences is over.

Really, does anyone other than Erb think America elected Barack Obama to impress the world?

America elected Obama because he promised free moonponies, and they like moonponies.

Europe had nothing to do with it.
 
Written By: Brad Warbiany
URL: http://thelibertypapers.org/
Brad — Judging by the degree to which some Americans obsessed about it, yes, some Americans did elect Obama so other people, particularly Europeans, would like us more. Sounds pathetic to me, but that’s what they kept talking about.

We shall see how that works out. Somewhere along the line Obama will be tested. He will have to choose between the self-interest of the United States and having other people like us. That will be a defining moment.
 
Written By: huxley
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A couple of points from someone who has lived abroad for 20 years.

1. Hatred/Liking of America is also tied into America being a melting pot - sort of like the world in microcosm. For example, people get angry that their relative couldn’t get into America or their visa was denied because they have some feeling of ownership over America. (They of course ignore their own country’s anti-foreigner biases) So America really is exceptional that way, though maybe Britain has a similar situation.

2. People will switch from completely pro-American to completely anti-American at the flip of a switch, not based on our actions necessarily. The KMT in Taiwan was always pro-American. Then they lost power, and since America still supported Taiwan when they were not in power, they became anti-American. (OK, maybe some still are.) Nothing changed about America. Their own situation changed. I guess maybe they were hiding their feelings is another possibility.

3. The world is not Europe. And the world is not all center-leftists. If you think only America is full of religious folks against gay marriage, try Indonesia, Pakistan, Africa, India.

4. The media overseas is the same as the media in the USA - center-left or even harder left. This of course colors people’s perceptions. This election really has reinforced this for me. I do think its worth 15 points.

5. People want to control their lives, so of course, they worry about America because its the most powerful country on earth and thus can affect them so much. Look for China to start getting some of the attention as slowly they rise up to take that mantle. This has already happened a bit with global warming. A good analogy to think about is Walmart vs. Target & Kmart. Everybody freaks on Walmart’s policies. Nobody notices or cares so much that Target & Kmart have the same if not worse policies. Another great example is the Korean people screaming for a revised SOFA so they can charge American soldiers for traffic accidents, etc. in their won courts. Fine. But then South Korea signs a SOFA with Afghanistan that is similar to the one the US had in Korea....uhhhh, can we say hypocrisy?

6. America is damned if she does, and damned if she don’t. Now, if the media is friendly, the can kind of massage this to not be so bad. But the worst anti-American incident I have ever been involved in was the bombing of Kosovo. Some Greek guys at a trade show screamed at me about it. Now, if we had done nothing, those Greeks would have been happy, but then other Europeans would have been appalled.

Sorry for the long post.





 
Written By: Harun
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Well said, Harun. Thanks.
 
Written By: huxley
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I know, I know, it’s obvious, but...
This shows the rest of the world that America is realizing it’s days of thinking itself able to do what it wants without consequences is over

How utterly intellectually bankrupt and historically illiterate is that statement? Very farging bankrupt and embarassingly illiterate.

We realized that in about 1941 when we realized that our first president’s admonishment to stay away from European entanglements was impossible.

We thought that after the War to End All Wars we were done with the European’s generational killing sprees, but we found out that we’re not. So we freaking stay wherever we’re needed to keep the peace, so we started NATO.
Then, we started the UN because, as the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere showed us, we also have to protect the rest of the world from their semi-annual killing sprees too.

So we spend much of our days trying to ameliorate the "consequences" of despots and tyrants around the world acting all despotty and tyranty and giving money to all and sundry to try to buy them off from their next war.

I sometimes wish that we would act without caring about the consequences for other countries, I’m a huge fan of FrnakJ’s "Nuke the Moon" policy.
There wasn’t a Pax Romana because Rome made all nicey-nicey, there was a Pax Romana because the Romans kept a monopoly on force.

What the heck does Scott Erb teach? Please don’t tell me history.
 
Written By: Veeshir
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I know, I know, it’s obvious, but...
This shows the rest of the world that America is realizing it’s days of thinking itself able to do what it wants without consequences is over

How utterly intellectually bankrupt and historically illiterate is that statement? Very farging bankrupt and embarassingly illiterate.

We realized that in about 1941 when we realized that our first president’s admonishment to stay away from European entanglements was impossible.

We thought that after the War to End All Wars we were done with the European’s generational killing sprees, but we found out that we’re not. So we freaking stay wherever we’re needed to keep the peace, so we started NATO.
Then, we started the UN because, as the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere showed us, we also have to protect the rest of the world from their semi-annual killing sprees too.

So we spend much of our days trying to ameliorate the "consequences" of despots and tyrants around the world acting all despotty and tyranty and giving money to all and sundry to try to buy them off from their next war.

I sometimes wish that we would act without caring about the consequences for other countries, I’m a huge fan of FrnakJ’s "Nuke the Moon" policy.
There wasn’t a Pax Romana because Rome made all nicey-nicey, there was a Pax Romana because the Romans kept a monopoly on force.

What the heck does Scott Erb teach? Please don’t tell me history.
 
Written By: Veeshir
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WTF? After it loaded I hit "reload" and it posted again. Sorry.
 
Written By: Veeshir
URL: http://
Veeshir — According to his home page, the ever facile Scott Erb is a Professor of Political Science, University of Maine at Farmington. Research Specialization: European Politics.

He shows up here regularly to tell us how ill-informed, emotional, and biased we are. In response he is attacked and parodied. He goes off and threatens never to post again, but then lurks for a while before returning to gloat and advertise his blog.

Clearly he is not stupid, and I keep thinking he could contribute a useful contrary voice here, but he usually goes off into leftist sloganeering against the right, con and neocon positions, while lecturing us about our bias and explaining that he is really some sort of libertarian beyond left and right.
 
Written By: huxley
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Oh, I know his writings, although I think Ott Scerb is a little more coherent.
I just didn’t want to click his link to find out what he teaches.

It’s especially funny that he teaches European politics and still writes that America just acts and ignores consequences. If we were half as bad as he seems to think, the French would be speaking English (we could have kept their crappy little country after taking it away from Germany).

As for his not being stupid, which is worse; Stupidity or willful ignorance?

I always go for willful ignorance, stupidity isn’t on purpose.
 
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