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Seconded
Posted by: Bryan Pick on Thursday, November 06, 2008

The Right's proper response to Tuesday's thumping.
 
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Spot on!

With all the stuff flying back and forth from the Palin and McCain camps, I just want to sit them down and yell "STOP ACTING LIKE MINDLESS F*CKWITS!!!!"

And hit them. Repeatedly.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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I would have gone with "babies," but "mindless f*ckwits" works too.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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Now is the time to fight, Conservatives! There is no room now for whining and crying over getting your clocks cleaned. You take your defeat and you come back harder.

Some are calling for Sarah Palin to head the RNC. Others are pimping Mitt Romney. Well, for me, I want Fred THompson. But regardless who is selected, I want them to have this guy’s attitude
Republicans may have lost this election, but I didn’t.

McCain only started to recover from the bailout backlash when he took his que from Joe the Plumber.

As for Fred Thompson, he owes us an apology, imho. His run was effectively as a conservative spoiler. His effort was so much only to that effect and nothing else the more I think about it the more I have to go hmmmmm.

(Edited by Bryan: Use HTML, not UBB code)
 
Written By: jpm100
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The Republican party is better off today than the Dems.

There are NO expectations for the Rep. party. In my travels, I’m hearing the beginnings of MAJOR Obama buyer’s remorse. People are waking up and discovering that he can’t walk on water and cure the lame, no matter what his glossy campaign PR may have told them. Barack Obama: The Coyote Ugly President.

And since election day, the market has lost 10%. They’re dancing around the obvious: What major change happened two days ago?

So we in the party have a choice: 1) Take this opportunity to regroup, reform and relaunch or 2) suck it. It’s an exciting time, but given our recent history, I’m afraid yet again we’re going to be stuck with number two.
 
Written By: Ronnie Gipper
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There’s a lot to be said for not being in power the next four years.

True, the Dems are going to blame the Reps as much as they can, but imagine what Pres. McCain would be facing. In addition to the very real problems and an intransigent Congress, he would be the focal point of non-stop abuse—first, for stealing the election from Obama, and second, for everything else.

I suspect that no matter what McCain did, he would be dog meat in four years and the Republican brand even more discredited.
 
Written By: huxley
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That’s all well and good. And perhaps right after a smacking, republicans could use some cinematic bravado to get their juices flowing. Maybe something reminiscent of David and Goliath.

Deadwood was alright. It started out good but eventually disappointed. But I think you guys really need to kick up the intensity on the screen.
Perhaps Braveheart or Star Wars.

And once you get that out of your system, you’ll really need to get your sh!t straight. The republicans have lost it. They need it back. Personally, I think Henke nails it. Or you could go the Malkin/Powerline/Redstate route, but I wouldn’t suggest it.

I guess you could keep the status quo and wait around perhaps for 8, 12, 16 years for the Dems to screw up enough to get the public weary of them again, but that’s a long time in opposition.
Or, you could purge your ranks of the wretched and diseased, get your troops in order and have a strategy for victory.

We’ll see.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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And perhaps right after a smacking, republicans could use some cinematic bravado to get their juices flowing. Maybe something reminiscent of David and Goliath.
I don’t know about David and Goliath. It’s not a matter of bravado, just a matter of not being self-pitying babies.

Regarding Jon’s post, I told him it was very good but that I’d like to see more specifics to expand upon the points in his post. Not in that one post — that would be encyclopedic in volume — but laid out somewhere in terms regular folk can understand and act upon. He replied that the Next Right is all about that, and I’m looking forward to reading that for some time to come.
I guess you could keep the status quo and wait around perhaps for 8, 12, 16 years for the Dems to screw up enough to get the public weary of them again, but that’s a long time in opposition.
Or, you could purge your ranks of the wretched and diseased, get your troops in order and have a strategy for victory.
Maybe we do have to spend that long in the opposition, but I doubt it. I think the next two years are going to take a lot of shine off the Democrat nickel. I’m actually worried that the Right won’t sufficiently learn its lesson and reform before the American people drag them back into power.

I don’t think we should rush to "purging the ranks" just yet. The truly vile are a relatively small number, but you start talking about purging the people the bastards claim to represent, and you end up throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

A bunch of people are advising the Republican Party to toss out the social conservatives entirely, which is not only a recipe for electoral suicide but also unnecessary to achieve reform.

When the social cons recognized that they are only one part of a big coalition, and were willing to compromise properly with the more insistent small-gov’t elements of the party, they were willing to pursue their goals in ways that were not inimical to their coalition partners.

The trouble is that they began to recognize their special significance to the GOP, that they reliably got out the vote in very critical ways, and when the GOP came to power they felt it was high time they got their reward, damn the consequences. Rather than insisting on religious freedom (which the more libertarian wing of the party is always willing to grant), they wanted to push their own religion into public institutions.

But if the social cons can’t play nice in a coalition big enough to win, they’re going to lose a lot of the things they care about. Now they face the prospect of an all-Dem federal gov’t, and the Supreme Court is not going to move in their direction. If they want the big tent back before too much lasting damage is done, they’re going to need to subsume some of their goals into a broader framework. They’re going to need to determine what’s really important, and what is a bridge too far for coalition politics. And they’re going to need to do it fast.

I suspect that one of the necessary elements of reform is creating ways for the social cons to pursue their more fundamental goals without being so offensive as to overreach and shrink the tent. The different "wings" of the fusionist coalition have substantial overlap: despite being quite libertarian, I have substantial sympathies with the national security hawks (surprise, I know!) and some aspects of social conservatism. The Republican Liberty Caucus is roughly split on the subject of abortion.

But the libertarian wing also leans toward the Left from time to time...
... and there are Scoop Jackson/Moynihan Democrats who feel trapped in their party and ashamed of where it is right now (like Orson Scott Card)...
... and if Roe v Wade were overturned tomorrow, I’d bet on very generous odds that you’d see some substantial movement between the parties—enough for a realignment.

The Right needs substantial reform on a lot of levels, and some time in the wilderness will in all likelihood be necessary for real reform. That’s dangerous for Republicans, considering the positive feedback loops that the Dems can put into place to shift the political playing field in their favor.

But the Democrats, if they govern like I think they’ll govern, can also create the unifying grievances that get the GOP back to winning elections in a very short time period. See the few all-Democrat years under Clinton and Carter that both preceded massive Republican resurgences.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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Or, you could purge your ranks of the wretched and diseased, get your troops in order and have a strategy for victory.
You commies really like to do the purge thing.
 
Written By: Don
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I don’t know about David and Goliath.
Well, you better get used to it.
It’s not a matter of bravado, just a matter of not being self-pitying babies.
Hey man, whatever gets your juices flowing. If it’s just not being self-pitying babies, you could rent Will Smith’s The Pursuit of Happyness. But I’m thinking your better off with bravado. Lots of bloody action with men screaming and such.

Other than that, I don’t have much to disagree with the rest of your comment.

One quick word on the social cons though. As I agree, the republicans don’t need to purge them, but they need to put their crap on the back burner, we got batter fish to fry.
They do that, and not pull anymore disgusting crap like the Terry Schiavo intrusion, I might have another look at them.

I am a fiscal conservative, but the social cons turn my stomach.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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I don’t get that the Republican party is that far off-course. IMO a perfect storm swept Obama into office. Had the financial meltdown come a quarter earlier or a quarter later, for instance, I think McCain would have had a better than even chance of winning.

Yes, the party needs to get back to basics on smaller government, tighter budgets. Yes, they need to clean house on corruption. Yes, they need to refashion their message.

Yes, that’s a lot of yeses, but it’s not a wailing Bill Paxton/Aliens moment: "What are we gonna do now?"
 
Written By: huxley
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I don’t get that the Republican party is that far off-course.
You must reconsider your own yeses, huxley. With spending and entitlement and expansion of government, the republicans have drifted way off course. Add that with the anti-liberty agenda of the social cons, and you have a perfect storm for disaster.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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You must reconsider your own yeses, huxley.
You must reconsider your abrasive and snotty posting style, Pogue.

As I said, "Yes, the party needs to get back to basics on smaller government, tighter budgets."
 
Written By: huxley
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Heh, Pogue, I guess it’s a matter of style. Whether I’m right or you are, it’s still a big change from the "we’re screwed, let’s start bickering about it" attitude.

And I quite liked Pursuit of Happyness. That’s for a slightly different mood, though.
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huxley, I don’t think Pogue was being all that disrespectful. That’s a lot of points on which the Republicans have gone off course, and they’re pretty fundamental. If the GOP has no credibility on clean and limited government, the party has gone substantially off course, and the changed message is just a symptom of that problem.

I disagree that McCain was that close to winning. Iowa, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico all going blue was enough to win it. Colorado finished at 53-45, so if all those barely-blue states (IN, OH, FL, NC, VA and the Omaha NE electoral vote) went a point and a half in the other direction, I suppose McCain could have challenged Obama to get a 269-269 tie (sending it to state delegations in the House), but that’s getting awfully desperate.

The equilibrium of the campaign was an Obama lead; that was interrupted by the Palin pick (which I admit initially energized me, although I became disappointed over time — where was the Sarah who appeared in the AK gubernatorial debate?); and then came the financial crisis.

When the housing/financial bust hit, McCain had nothing particularly Republican to offer. It was Democrat-lite, with about as much credibility as you would expect. He didn’t take it to the Dems hard for their substantial role in creating this crisis. Instead, he took a big gamble by "suspending his campaign" to go to Washington just so he could sign off on socializing a big chunk of the financial sector (a bill that was extremely unpopular with a highly motivated part of the base), and he served the Democrats the "erratic" meme on a platter.

It was a heck of a storm, but he didn’t have to sail into it with a lightning rod in hand.
 
Written By: Bryan Pick
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wait around perhaps for 8, 12, 16 years for the Dems to screw up enough
Oh dude, you have so missed it here.
Wait till the bill comes do from the Obama dealership on the new SUV (Socialist Utility Vehicle).
I give that 8 to 10 months - so, around this time next year, not 8 to 10 years.

I give it 5 months (July maybe) before a lot of people who voted for him because of his race, yes, that’s right, ’brothahs and sistahs’, are realizing that they aren’t getting their mortgage paid and their gas tank filled and suddenly the African-American in the White House becomes a ’house you-know-what’ who’s being controlled by the man and has ’betrayed’ them.

I wish the guy the best in many ways because he’s about to be the President, and what he does can truly help or hurt the rest of us. But I do believe there’s going to be a lot of buyer’s remorse and it isn’t going to take long, and it’s not going to be enough to point at GW and blame Bush.

But don’t kid yourself Pogue, the Dem’s HAVE been screwing up since 2006, it’s just they’ve been so outdone by the Department of Screwing Up in the White House in so many ways that people haven’t caught on. The moon pony factory was never in operation in the first place, so when people don’t get theirs in the mail in April or May they’re gonna start to whine a little. Hatred for Bush and Cheney is only going to carry so far, the high for most people is going to wear off quick (Kos and those guys will be high on hating Bush for at least 3 years).

But I’m with anyone who says they’re not interested in taking up ODS for a living. I’m fully sick of various flavors of "DS".

Meanwhile - have a brew and enjoy the show, we live in Texas. Rick assures me we have a surplus...heh
Slainte.
 
Written By: looker
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I guess you could keep the status quo and wait around perhaps for 8, 12, 16 years for the Dems to screw up enough to get the public weary of them again
It won’t take that long. 4 years at the most.

Lightworker isn’t that good and look at the people he is appointing. All insiders and a hyper partisan for chief of staff. It will be go bad real fast.
 
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