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Sarah Palin and the future
Posted by: McQ on Friday, November 07, 2008

I've been watching this disgusting performance concerning Palin and anonymous McCain staffers leaking unflattering information about her from a distance, not really wanting to get involved in it. While I understand that it is fairly normal for a losing campaign to evidence some of the dissonance that helped them take 2nd place, this has been both unprofessional and unseemly on the part of those doing the 'leaking'.

All that to say the very same staffer's (and some pundits) who've also declared that Palin was one of the big reasons McCain lost have a Rasmussen poll to munch on before they open their traps and again make themselves look foolish:
Only 20% of GOP voters say Palin hurt the party’s ticket, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey. Six percent (6%) say she had no impact, and five percent (5%) are undecided.

Ninety-one percent (91%) of Republicans have a favorable view of Palin, including 65% who say their view is Very Favorable. Only eight percent (8%) have an unfavorable view of her, including three percent (3%) Very Unfavorable.

When asked to choose among some of the GOP’s top names for their choice for the party’s 2012 presidential nominee, 64% say Palin. The next closest contenders are two former governors and unsuccessful challengers for the presidential nomination this year — Mike Huckabee of Arkansas with 12% support and Mitt Romney of Massachusetts with 11%.

Three other sitting governors – Bobby Jindal of Louisiana, Charlie Crist of Florida and Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota – all pull low single-digit support.
And in case that still hasn't sunk in, try this:
These findings echo a survey earlier this week which found that Republicans were happier with their vice presidential candidate than with their presidential nominee. Seventy-one percent (71%) said McCain made the right choice by picking Palin as his running mate, while only 65% said the party picked the right nominee for president.
So it appears to me, at least when considering this poll and those numbers, that the reason the Republicans lost the election was John McCain.

I guess the McCain staffers involved in this bit of nastiness had better get used to the fact that Sarah Palin is going to be around in Republican circles for a long time.

What she has to do, obviously, is go to school. And I have little doubt that's something she can easily accomplish.
One top McCain aide came to Palin’s defense today. Randy Scheunemann, McCain’s top foreign policy adviser, who helped prepare Palin for her vice presidential debate, praised Palin’s campaign effort and intelligence.

“I’ve been working over 20 years in Washington and I’ve been around literally dozens and dozens of politicians. She is among the smartest, toughest, most capable politicians I’ve ever dealt with,” Scheunemann said. “She has a photographic memory.”
She also has to broaden her appeal. One of the things no one seems to understand is the role she played, that of the attack dog, is the traditional role of a VP candidate.

That. Was. Her. Job.

That is also now something she has to overcome.

As to the nasty rumors - Nichole Wallace has been named as one of those spreading them. In an interview today she took a very large step in disavowing that and stating "Sarah Palin did nothing wrong".



Palin is going to be around a while. As stated, she has some work to do. But as even Bill Clinton understood, she's an instinctive politician who has the ability to connect with people and both turn them on and out to vote. It is the type of charisma effective politicians must have. What I'm waiting to see is her unplugged - away from the constraints of playing second fiddle to a marginal candidate with the thankless job of doing the dirty work for a campaign which, at least in some parts, didn't seem to understand or appreciate what they had.

She'll be interesting to watch over the next 4 years.
 
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WRT to Palin, the other side recognizes her as a dangerous target, because they’re still firing.

Though she will now go back to being governor of Alaska and not VP - I caught a couple late night shows still attacking her intelligence or supposed lack there of...("she didn’t know Africa was actually a continent and not a country" as one example).

They’re still firing because they sense there’s still danger.
 
Written By: looker
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And, yeah, I know, the McCain camp started that one, but check what used to be the ’fever swamps’ for it. They’re only too happy to perpetuate it.

They’re going to Dan Quayle this.
 
Written By: looker
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...who has the ability to connect with people and both turn them on and out to vote
Heh, McQ.

FWIW, I think Palin’s got big appeal to the base, but she’s not so great at attracting the independents/moderate Dems. I talked to several friends who are usually semi-blue who were leaning toward McCain (due to Obama fears) and then were pushed back to O because Palin scared them.
 
Written By: Amy
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Agreed Amy. That because A) she had to play attack dog, and B) she’s still so new, not much is known about her own positions on issues.

That’s why I said she has to do the work necessary to broaden her base. Just like Obama was able to calm the fears of enough people that he wasn’t a radical and could do the job, Palin must accomplish the same thing. Only exposure is going to make that happen.
 
Written By: McQ
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Sometimes i wish the republicans would just put a libertarian on the top and a palin conservative on the bottom. You excite the base with the vice pres pick, and you make the good policies on the libertarian top. Both would be economically appealing, and the more liberal side of the libertarian president pick would grab the moderates.
 
Written By: josh b
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Carl Cameron on Fox News said he got those "Palin was a moron" rumors from inside the McCain campaign. Cameron should have to say who told this garbage to him. If he doesn’t, he shouldn’t be trusted around Republicans any more. If he does, that person should be stricken from any further work in the party.

To me, Palin not only energized the party but took the fight to Obama and Biden. McCain was too wishy-washy, too "I am a gentleman" to run a good campaign. When Obama came out as not taking federal money, McCain should have said at that moment, "If Obama wants to break his word, so will I. I hate to do it, but I will not be handcuffed when the other side has decided to break the rules." No one - especially the in-the-tank liberal media - cared that Obama broke his word. No one cared that he was raising money hand over fist from donors such as "S. Hussein" and "A. Hitler." No one cared. What they cared about was that Obama outspent McCain 3-1, 4-1, and in some placed 7-1 because of the money he was able to raise.

Lesson number one for the Republicans in 2010 and 2012: that pesky campaign finance reform is dead. No more federal money - we will raise our own. And if the Dems or their lackeys in the media don’t like it, we can say, as they did in 2008, "Who cares?"

Lesson number two for the GOP: no more of the Presidential debate commission. They seem to pick liberals like Gwen Ifill and Tom Brokaw to moderate debates. Next time, we get a multitude of debates, plus we have a moderator or two from Fox News. If the Dems don’t like it, the Republican should show up next to an empty chair.

In 2012, we need to play as if we want to win. In 2008, we played by gentleman’s rules while the opponent played with guns and knives and a battering ram. Never again with that crap, or the GOP will become a permanent minority.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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She’ll be interesting to watch over the next 4 years.
I have always believed that our first woman President would be a Republican, for reasons that the left and right would probably find insulting, so I won’t bother explaining. But four years is plenty of time to become extremely knowledgeable on national policy questions.

It’s likely that if McCain chose a centrist rather than Palin, he may have gotten more swing votes, but less of the base would have shown up. I think this was a year where a Democrat that didn’t make mistakes was pretty much a shoe-in.

I was not impressed with Sarah Palin, but she will probably continue to be popular with Republicans and has no place to go but up with everyone else. Unless those nasty anonymous campaign aide stories turn out to be true. If she is proven to have been the shopping diva of rumor, the base may even turn away from her.

But I think it will be interesting to watch her for the next few years.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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I’d read somewhere along the line that it was ex-Romney supporters in McCain’s camp that were behind these stories - trying to set up a backstory to undercut Palin down the road I’d imagine.
 
Written By: JH
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I was not impressed with Sarah Palin
I wasn’t impressed with Obama and he got elected so anything is possible. :)
 
Written By: capt joe
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If you want to figure out if Palin lost votes, you need to check not with Republicans but with independents and conservative leaning Democrats (there are still plenty of them around).
I know several people in that category who were considering voting for McCain but beat a hasty retreat when he picked Palin. And not just when the bad stories began appearing in the media, or when she was on TV with Couric, but from the very beginning. They simply couldn’t imagine her being within ten miles of the Oval Office.
 
Written By: kishnevi
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They simply couldn’t imagine her being within ten miles of the Oval Office.
Tell em to get used to the idea, she’ll be takin down the drapes Michelle picks out in about 5 years.
 
Written By: looker
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And not just when the bad stories began appearing in the media, or when she was on TV with Couric, but from the very beginning. They simply couldn’t imagine her being within ten miles of the Oval Office.
On what basis?

This is what I don’t get (or if I do, it is not at all complimentary). Take someone entirely new. Suppose you’re someone who never heard of Sarah Palin and you hear the announcement... McCain is going to pick Palin.

So, who the heck is Palin?

The most obvious and first things you can find out about her is... she female... from Alaska... So what has she done? The first things you would find out are that she unseated an incumbent Republican, and maybe something about ethics and reform... she’s pro-life.

Other than THAT what do you hear? That she faked her pregnancy? She disrespectfully wore "hoochi-hoops" while touring hurricane damage? Anyone who took that crap seriously is not a rational actor in their own lives.

So... before Couric... on what basis does anyone make a decision about Sarah Palin? Do they not like her policies? Or do they just really and truly not like that she’s female and fertile? She didn’t follow the rules and pay her dues? She didn’t go to Ivy League schools and do lofty sorts of things so that we can happily accept her as our better?

What?

I’m not at all surprised by the *hysterics* amongst feminists. Palin seems to have never caught on to the idea that she’s supposed to have been oppressed.

What is there to react to *at the very beginning* for people who are otherwise sympathetic to the Republican party, or even neutral, other than unreason and prejudice?
 
Written By: Synova
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As for what lost McCain the election...

The very same thing that WON him the nomination.

The Republican party this year was not in a position to succeed. No one wanted to donate too much money to a losing cause, even in the primaries, when the chances of winning were so small. McCain couldn’t win other years but this year he got the votes during primaries from those who have a long knowledge of him and have voted for him before... I don’t recall anyone liking him on the blogs I read, but lots of voters don’t get that into politics.

Some of those McCain voters might have been put off by Sarah Palin, but the number of voters who weren’t going to bother, either because they’ve disliked McCain forever, or because they felt that it was either Democrats this time around or an election or two down the road and the better thing was to let it go now, to get it back later, means he really couldn’t win. In a "kick the bums out" political climate Palin was an outsider that it might be worth supporting now with an eye to presidential runs later.

The Couric interview hurt a whole lot. I can’t quite imagine how it got that bad, but I *do* blame Couric. It’s her job to interview people so we can find out what they think about things, not to trip them up on purpose or lead them where Couric wants to go. I did watch portions of it and Couric so much as said, "I don’t want to hear about that answer, I want you to answer how I want you to." Her follow-up questions had nothing to do with what Sarah Palin said about anything... they were pre-prepared and she read them from a piece of paper with no deviation. I’m sure Sarah Palin could have sounded just as wonderful if she got to read her answers.

Sure, Palin handled it badly. Naive, I know, to expect that she was going to be *interviewed*. I don’t expect she’ll make that mistake again.

 
Written By: Synova
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The Leftist is usually the worst poker player at the table.

Over-reaction, tells, it all shows.
 
Written By: T
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The very same thing that WON him the nomination.
No.

What won him the nomination was voters doiung the primary corssover shuffle so as to prevent a conservative from being nominated, thus making a Democrat in 08 a shoe-in
 
Written By: Bithead
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Sarah Palin has lots of strengths and much more in common with more Americans than the Harvard/Yale contingent who have occupied the Oval Office for the last 20 years so I can understand why she was so threatening to the media and political elite (apparently Republicans and Democrats alike). In fact, the ferocity of their response to her candidacy speaks for itself regarding the need to elect an "outsider" if we really wish to reform the federal government. That being said, she wasn’t really ready for prime time. Reagan was from a similar mold but he had several decades of seasoning as a union head and governor.

I think Palin turned out more of the base than Romney or Giuliani would have, but my experience is like Amy’s. I know at least ten non-Republicans who were considering McCain until he picked Palin. With all of her positives, she fueled the meme that Republicans are anti-intellectual. That isn’t true, but from the perspective of someone living on the west coast, I think that issue is more important than some people realize. I think it is especially important if Republicans want to win over younger voters. They’ve got a superior product, but after eight years of Bush’s poor communication skills, the Republican party needs well spoken, knowledgeable leaders to convince the American public of that.
 
Written By: jt007
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The more interesting question is, how will Governor Palin play with independents? Support from the GOP and rejection by independents and Democrats equates to losing.
 
Written By: Silussa
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We can’t afford to lose Palin, she provided the greatest entertainment value during this campaign! (well except for the chick who beat herself up and blamed a Big Black Obama guy).
 
Written By: TomD
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Palin’s done. She’s been Quayled. She also proved herself not only not ready for prime time, but not the brightest bulb in the pack. McCain should have vetted her, he got someone probably barely qualified to be governor, and it destroyed any chance he has. The Democrats have to hope the Republicans turn to her, that will ensure a generation of Democratic governance! She was a joke — and the more details that come out about her shopping sprees....she may be in trouble when the RNC and Alaskan government investigates. She’ll never live that down. Anyone who thinks Palin will be a big shot for the GOP probably thought immigration was going to be the big issue this year.
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Written By: Scott Erb
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Sometimes i wish the republicans would just put a libertarian on the top and a palin conservative on the bottom ...
Well, my wife’s a Republican and I asked, but she’s not going for it.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Yes, Scott... she sounds like a Minnesotan, don’t cha know. But how do you reconcile the "Palin is stupid" meme to reports that she’s got a photographic memory, is interested in everything and listens and then asks questions, also?

Pick and choose?
 
Written By: Synova
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That isn’t true, but from the perspective of someone living on the west coast, I think that issue is more important than some people realize.
But what state on the West coast was McCain going to take? So why does what some on the West coast matter if she rallies the base that was going to stay home without her?

Look, Republicans are going to have to make a choice - expand the base or pander to the middle.

You can see how well pandering to the middle works for them.

So they have got to come up with a way to sway voters to come to their side without scaring them half to death. Not an easy thing to do, but something which can be done. That is what Republicans ought to be doing now - reviewing their principles and finding acceptable and non-threatening ways to present them to expand the base - the middle will take care of itself if they do that.
 
Written By: McQ
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Palin is magnificent! She is going to kick the O cult back into the sewer where it belongs.
 
Written By: Brie Tosc
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But how do you reconcile the "Palin is stupid" meme to reports that she’s got a photographic memory, is interested in everything and listens and then asks questions, also?
Oh that’s easy Synova - it doesn’t fit the preconception, so you ignore it. Then you lecture everyone else on how silly they are for believing otherwise.
 
Written By: McQ
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My money is now on Palin making a big comeback, Now that Erb has pronounced her finished. Hey ERB, I’ll bet that for all your education that woman is not only more clever than you, but is probably a better teacher.
 
Written By: kyleN
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Palin has responded. Says the cowardly "anonymous" staffers are unprofessional jerks but she has a thick skin. The only thing that’s going to happen with the clothes is that *when she unpacks* she’s been asked to box them up and send them.

 
Written By: Synova
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"And not just when the bad stories began appearing in the media, or when she was on TV with Couric, but from the very beginning."

Like I said before, no law degree and no penis. Obviously unqualified. Plus she is an outsider with no Washington experience.
Of course many of the people saying her presence on the ticket drove them away were just looking for an excuse.


"As for what lost McCain the election..."

One big reason is that you can only get so far on the idea that the other guy is worse. McCain wasn’t all that popular among Republicans/conservatives/Libertarians, so why should he be popular among Democrats and independants?

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"She also proved herself not only not ready for prime time, but not the brightest bulb in the pack. McCain should have vetted her, he got someone probably barely qualified to be governor, "

And he knows this because of the massive amount of independant research he has done on her evaluated by that magnificent objective and rational intellect.

Besides, anyone with an accent like that has to be a bit backward. Unless they are a Democrat, of course.
 
Written By: timactual
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What is there to react to *at the very beginning* for people who are otherwise sympathetic to the Republican party, or even neutral, other than unreason and prejudice?
What was it? That’s fairly easy to point to—her taking up the role of the Un-sophisticate. And she acted the part so well that people decided that she was either a total rube or she was faking it—and neither conclusion inspired any confidence. Furthermore, it led people to question McCain’s ability to make a good choice—was this really the best female Republican he could find? Especially when that choice made a mocker of the experience argument (or, if you turn it around, she had much more experience in an executive position than McCain himself) and therefore signalled that McCain wasn’t serious about it.
But how do you reconcile the "Palin is stupid" meme to reports that she’s got a photographic memory, is interested in everything and listens and then asks questions, also?
Beyond the fact that she read all the paper every day as a high school student to get all the news, none of those things penetrated to me. Presuming those things are true, then blame it on the campaign handlers for not letting it show through. But also bear in mind that those characteristics contrast with the role of the Un-sophisticate. Unsophisticates aren’t interested in everything and don’t ask meaningful follow up questions.
My own belief is that she was, at least in part, putting on an act. I know plenty of people who talk folksy, but they all drop back into Queen’s English when serious questions and situations arise. If they were in a presidential debate there would have been no "you betcha"s and no winking at the camera.
I’ve known plenty of people who are folksy, unsophisticated, who could be accurately described as hicks and rednecks—who would have no trouble with someone calling them hick or redneck—and none of them were as unsophisticated as Palin tried to appear.
(And, please take it from someone who has it: photographic memory isn’t actually a sing of high intelligence. It just means the individual’s neurology is wired in an uncommon way. It helps to be able to recall detailed information quickly, but you can be dumb and still have the trait.)
 
Written By: kishnevi
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McQ,

The polls refer to GOP voters! who cares! those who were disgusted by Palin voted elsewhere. Her purpose was to rally the base and she did. The notion that she would win votes with anyone else is absurd. McCain’s mavericky delusions that he had appeal beyond party lines were the problem. She shored up the base, but he failed to sway the moderates. Ultimately that left him as the drag on the ticket. Clearly the base will vote for almost anyone they’re told to (W anyone?). Republicans rejected McCain in 2000 for a reason (and a good one at that) he had no chance of winning; didn’t then and didn’t now. The rigors of the campaing outed him as the power hungry lunatic he’s always been. The high point for the GOP was when his campaign was seamingly dead in 2007. How they ever let him get back in the race is beyond me.
 
Written By: TheDude
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What she has to do, obviously, is go to school.

Yeah, don’t bother finding somebody who is already qualified. Just find a firecracker and teach her some stuff. That’s a much better plan.
 
Written By: Wulf
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What won him the nomination was voters doiung the primary corssover shuffle so as to prevent a conservative from being nominated, thus making a Democrat in 08 a shoe-in
Hey Bithead,
Take some of this, and follow these instructions.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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"She also proved herself not only not ready for prime time, but not the brightest bulb in the pack. McCain should have vetted her, he got someone probably barely qualified to be governor, "

And he knows this because of the massive amount of independant research he has done on her evaluated by that magnificent objective and rational intellect.


The same could be said about anyone here, tim. No one else here as any better idea about what Palin is really like beyond what anyone of us can read or see.

It should come as no surprise to anyone that those who were Palin supporters find these accusations - not made by democrats or the media, mind you - to be a little suspect. And those who did not support Palin, may not have trouble believing some of these reports.

Observe,
Hey ERB, I’ll bet that for all your education that woman is not only more clever than you, but is probably a better teacher.

Written By: kyleN
Yeah, Erb... you sux. I bet you don’t teach your students that the Vice President is in charge of the Senate, do you? You totally sux, dude.

As any third grader should know by now,

Q: Brandon Garcia wants to know, “What does the Vice President do?”

PALIN: That’s something that Piper would ask me! … [T]hey’re in charge of the U.S. Senate so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes that will make life better for Brandon and his family and his classroom.


Right, because after what we’ve witnessed over these last few months, it’s completely unreasonable to believe that Palin wasn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer. /eyeroll

The self serving aids that leaked what is most likely exaggerated claims about Palin’s intelligence, obviously have their own motives and what they say should be looked upon with suspicion. And I do admit the part about how she didn’t know about Africa is a bit hard to swallow.
But let’s be honest. What we’ve witnessed suggests that Mensa won’t be calling her anytime soon. Oh wait, is Mensa an elitist liberal group think communist organization not located in the "Pro America" part of the country? ’Cause I can’t keep up with these things.


This survey suggests that 64% of Republicans want Palin to run in 2012. Well I bet a at least 95% of Democrats want her to run as well.
There’s absolutely no reason to believe that Democrats are in any way worried about a Palin run next go round.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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That’s why I said she has to do the work necessary to broaden her base.

She has been Quaylized, by a combination of her own inexcusably bad early interview performances and Tina Fey. Similar reputations were bestowed upon other politicians (Quayle for being dumb, Gingrich for being evil), and they were then tainted goods among a large enough swath of independents and casual political observers to invalidate them as candidates for national office.

Some folks in a certain frame of reference, who are outraged at her treatment by the media, still need to recognize this practical reality. She’s been branded, and while much of it was unfair, some of it she did to herself.

If the GOP puts her forth as a high profile leader and a candidate next presidential go-around, they are dumb enough to deserve the loss that will result. Because if I’m a soft Republican who doesn’t want to vote for her, she is incapable of winning any significant portion of the middle.
 
Written By: Bill from INDC
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Yeah, Erb... you sux. I bet you don’t teach your students that the Vice President is in charge of the Senate, do you?
Ummm ... Pogue? What do you think the VP is in charge of?

Just so you know, I’m setting you up to take it hard on the chin. You could avoid this by doing a little research. The U.S Constitution would be a good place to start (psst, Art. I, Sec. 3 might begin to yield the answer ye seek).
 
Written By: MichaelW
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If the GOP puts her forth as a high profile leader and a candidate next presidential go-around, they are dumb enough to deserve the loss that will result. Because if I’m a soft Republican who doesn’t want to vote for her, she is incapable of winning any significant portion of the middle.
But the question is why do you think that, Bill? What is it that you think you know about Palin that makes you not want to support her?

Mind you, I don’t mean that in the sense that there are no good reasons. Just that so far all I’ve heard is that she’s not qualified and that she’s dumb. I’m sympathetic to the non-qualification issue, but I submit that anyone trying to paint her as dumb will end up with egg on their face. The same goes for her allegedly being a social conservative, which she may be personally, but her governance record does not bear out.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Just so you know, I’m setting you up to take it hard on the chin.


Pfft. You can’t find your ass with both hands let alone swing for my chin, chump. Being the president of the senate doesn’t put the VP "in charge" of the senate, the VP doesn’t direct the senators to do anything, and it certainly doesn’t mean the VP could "if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes".

Of course you know this, Party Boy, you just have to find something - anything - to help apologize for your precious Palin.

 
Written By: PogueMahone
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What is it that you think you know about Palin that makes you not want to support her?

I saw the interviews. I could have answered any of those questions, easily, including the Bush Doctrine question that everyone thought was so unfair. I expect a reasonably similar performance from someone going for CINC.
 
Written By: Bill from INDC
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McQ, I actually agree with pretty much everything that you said. My point wasn’t that Republicans need to move left. To the contrary, I think they need to get back to conservative principles. I was merely saying that there is a lot more persuadable purple out here in California than people may realize and the only way to appeal to them is with an articulate, knowledgeable advocate of conservative principles. After all, before he veered left due to his ballot initiative defeat a couple of years ago, Schwarzenegger won California’s gubanatorial re-call election as a socially moderate, small government, fiscal conservative.
 
Written By: jt007
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Schwarzenegger won California’s gubanatorial re-call election as a socially moderate, small government, fiscal conservative.
Who had 20+ years of favorable publicity behind him. "I’ll be back!" The first thing that came to mind was of this guy playing hyper capable action heroes and otherwise building a reservoir of favorables to draw on. Ronald Reagan had some of the same advantages.

No one knew who Sarah Palin was, and interviews edited to make her look as bad as possible was the first introduction that they got. After that, all it took was people like Erb to make sure no facts got in the way.
 
Written By: SDN
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The McCain campaign was horribly run. Two examples

Pennsylvania: McCain’s campaign put a lot of effort there including McCain and Palin’s time in Pennsylvania. Where did it end up 55:45 for Obama. A huge waste of resources. It didn’t make sense to anyone on the published poll numbers and campaign internal numbers are suppose to be better.

TV Interviews: McCain or Palin never appeared on O’Reilly. He has large ratings and would have been a good environment. Even Obama appeared. Yet after a negative outcome from the Couric interview, the campaign kept sending her back there. Not to mention Palin only did 10 minutes on Limbaugh. How are to suppose to us Palin to energize the base if you never showed her to them.

Its no surprise the campaign is looking for a scapegoat.

I often have to wonder if there was a saboteur in the McCain camp since they did such a horrible job of it. The two points above are just so obviously wrong even without hindsight. And their side bonus was to kill a Republican rising star.
 
Written By: jpm100
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I often have to wonder if there was a saboteur in the McCain camp since they did such a horrible job of it.
Another angle of the circular firing squad suggests exactly that, that Mitt Romney’s staff became Sarah Palin’s handlers, and handled her just as someone with aspirations for 2012 might want her handled, make her look bad so McCain loses, and the added bonus of eliminating her from conention in 2012.

I don’t buy it, but maybe Republicans will get lucky and the entire field of 2008 candidates will be taken out of the mix. You can’t have been happy with any of them.

Bobby Jindal in 2012!

And if he runs, you can call Democrats racists when they call him Piyush.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Another angle of the circular firing squad suggests exactly that, that Mitt Romney’s staff became Sarah Palin’s handlers, and handled her just as someone with aspirations for 2012 might want her handled, make her look bad so McCain loses, and the added bonus of eliminating her from conention in 2012.
so someone’s going for a double bonus by dragging down both.
 
Written By: jpm100
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I was merely saying that there is a lot more persuadable purple out here in California than people may realize and the only way to appeal to them is with an articulate, knowledgeable advocate of conservative principles.
She has 4 years to change the perceptions which have been initially formed by her lousy interviews. She did quite well in her debate and has that to point too. She needs to manage her PR campaigin carefully, appeal to a broader base, which in her case, I think is entirely possible, and frandkly keep her visibility high.

Unlike Quayle, I think she’ll get the opportunity to do that. Quayle’s biggest problem was he won the job and was then quietly shuffled off into a back room for 4 years with the perception left to lay there.

And the attempt to claim she’s been "Quayled" is just that, an attempt - we’ll see.
 
Written By: McQ
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Yeah, don’t bother finding somebody who is already qualified. Just find a firecracker and teach her some stuff. That’s a much better plan.
I believe the title of the post is "Sarah Palin and the Future". She’ll be as qualified as anyone in 4 years.
 
Written By: McQ
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Being the president of the senate doesn’t put the VP "in charge" of the senate, the VP doesn’t direct the senators to do anything, and it certainly doesn’t mean the VP could "if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes".
I warned you, Pogue.

U.S. Const., Art I, Sec. 3: ... The Vice President of the United States shall be President of the Senate, but shall have no Vote, unless they be equally divided.

Definition of "president" =
1: an official chosen to preside over a meeting or assembly2: an appointed governor of a subordinate political unit3: the chief officer of an organization (as a corporation or institution) usually entrusted with the direction and administration of its policies4: the presiding officer of a governmental body5 a: an elected official serving as both chief of state and chief political executive in a republic having a presidential government b: an elected official having the position of chief of state but usually only minimal political powers in a republic having a parliamentary government
Definition of "preside":
1. To hold the position of authority; act as chairperson or president.
2. To possess or exercise authority or control.

[...]

verb officiate, chair, moderate, be chairperson
preside over something or someone run, lead, head, control, manage, direct, conduct, govern, administer, supervise, be at the head of, be in authority
In fact, the VP alone is vested with these powers (limited as they may be) over the Senate, and may exercise them whenever s/he sees fit:
The Vice President presides over the Senate by right, whenever he/she wants to, regardless of whether there’s a tie vote.

What’s more, Vice Presidents, until Spiro Agnew, got their offices and budgets from the Senate, not the Executive Branch. The legislative character of that office is traditional — treating the VP as part of the Executive Branch, and a sort of junior co-President, is a recent and, to my mind, unwise innovation. That’s discussed at more length in this article from the Northwestern University Law Review.
The Constitution goes on to direct the Senate to chose a President pro tempore to preside over the Senate in the VP’s absence. Though it is not explicitly stated, the VP is also the President of the Senate during all trials of impeachments other than trials of the President. In other words, when Biden says that the VP has "no authority relative to the Congress" the truth is actually that the VP has a special authority, reserved to no other unless the VP chooses to let another wield it.

Article II does not extend to the VP any executive powers. Sections 2 and 3 specifically grant duties and powers to the President; the VP goes unmentioned. In fact, Article II provides for compensation for the President, but doesn’t direct the VP to receive anything!
See also:
The only other job the vice president has in the Constitution is to serve as president of the Senate. In that role, the vice president has the power to break tie votes when the whole Senate is evenly split on a decision. The vice president does not get to vote in the Senate at any other time. The delegates to the Constitutional Convention, however, imagined that the vice president would attend Senate sessions fairly regularly. The vice president’s role as president of the Senate is another way the executive branch participates in the lawmaking process.
Indeed, some of the Founders worried that the VP’s role was too powerful:
Mr. Gerry opposed this regulation. We might as well put the President himself at the head of the Legislature. The close intimacy that must subsist between the President & vice-president makes it absolutely improper. He was agst. having any vice President.

Mr Govr Morris. The vice president then will be the first heir apparent that ever loved his father—If there should be no vice president, the President of the Senate would be temporary successor, which would amount to the same thing.

[...]

Col: Mason, thought the office of vice-President an encroachment on the rights of the Senate; and that it mixed too much the Legislative & Executive, which as well as the Judiciary departments, ought to be kept as separate as possible.
And here’s Justice Story regarding the power of the VP (emphasis added):
§ 737. A question, involving the authority of the vice president, as presiding officer in the senate, has been much discussed in consequence of a decision recently made by that officer. Hitherto the power of preserving order during the deliberations of the senate in all cases, where the rules of the senate did not specially prescribe another mode, had been silently supposed to belong to the vice president, as an incident of office. It had never been doubted, much less denied, from the first organization of the senate; and its existence had been assumed, as an inherent quality, constitutionally delegated, subject only to such rules, as the senate should from time to time prescribe. In the winter session of 1826, the vice president decided in effect, that, as president of the senate, he had no power of preserving order, or of calling any member to order, for words spoken in the course of debate, upon his own authority, but only so far, as it was given, and regulated by the rules of the senate. This was a virtual surrender of the presiding power (if not universally, at least in that case) into the hands of the senate; and disarmed the officer even of the power of self-protection from insult or abuse, unless the senate should choose to make provision for it. If, therefore, the senate should decline to confer the power of preserving order, the vice president might become a mere pageant and cipher in that body. If, indeed, the vice president had not this power virtute officii, there was nothing to prevent the senate from confiding it to any other officer chosen by itself. Nay, if the power to preside had not this incident, it was difficult to perceive, what other incident it had. The power to put questions, or to declare votes, might just as well, upon similar reasoning, be denied, unless it was expressly conferred. The power of the senate to prescribe rules could not be deemed omnipotent. It must be construed with reference to, and in connexion with the power to preside; and the latter, according to the common sense of mankind, and of public bodies, was always understood to include the power to keep order; upon the clear ground, that the grant of a power includes the authority to make it effectual, and also of self-preservation.
Now, if you can’t do just a few minutes of basic research to discover these answers, particularly after you were pointed in the right direction, of what use is anything you have to say, Pogue?
 
Written By: MichaelW
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I warned you, Pogue.
Of what? That you are an imbecile.
Oh, I already knew that.

In the context of how Palin framed it, the VP is not "in charge so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes".

You go ahead though, you take that Palin quote and put it on a flag and wave it around come 2012. See how far it gets you.

While you’re at it, you can wave about ’can’t name a SCOTUS case to disagree with’ and ’Russia from my house’ and ’when Russians invade Alaskan airspace’ and ’Wall Street bailout plan would help those who are concerned about the health care reform that is needed to help shore up the economy’ and ’reducing taxes must accompany tax reductions’.

It’ll be fun for everybody.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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And the attempt to claim she’s been "Quayled" is just that, an attempt - we’ll see.
Although its probably reversible with most, she has bee "Quayled" with much of the electorate. McCain campaign put her in few non-hostile environments. There is little positive that casual news observer saw.

But I don’t see her having a national spotlight that will allow her to outshine the negative spin she will still get in the national press.
 
Written By: jpm100
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But I don’t see her having a national spotlight that will allow her to outshine the negative spin she will still get in the national press.
She has invitations from everyone but the pope to sit down and talk. She’s learned some valuable lessons from the Gibson/Couric interviews (like you take charge of the interview, you don’t let them do it). She no longer has to parrot the party line, or should I say the McCain line. She’s attractive, telegenic and has a following. Quayle never had a following.

There’s a curiosity about here that Quayle never enjoyed. And she’s going to be in a job for the next 2 go 4 years where her interaction within that sphere and community can be watched and judged. My guess, unless she’s been so burned by this experience she eschews any further national exposure, that she’ll be making the rounds of speaking engagements, seminars, conferences and conclaves and will be sought out for comment on policies and events.

I think it is extremely premature to conclude she’s been Quayled.
 
Written By: McQ
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In the context of how Palin framed it, the VP is not "in charge so if they want to they can really get in there with the senators and make a lot of good policy changes".
As per usual, your reading skills leave much to be desired. And, as has been proven over and over again, you really don’t have anything useful to add.
 
Written By: MichaelW
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Ott Scerb, are you out there to enlighten us with the REAL analysis on Sarah Palin? Pleeeeeease?
 
Written By: BWIII
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"What we’ve witnessed suggests that Mensa won’t be calling her anytime soon."

So what? One thing I have learned over the years is that intelligence is not that crucial to success or competence. If I recall correctly, Spiro Agnew had a very high IQ, and of course Joe Biden is a genius (just ask him). I know people of moderate intelligence who are quite successful, and people of high intelligence who are not. There is a reason for having words like wisdom in addition to the word intelligence, and they are not synonymns.

I am sure that once Palin gets as much experience as Biden, she will sound just as smart as that old silver tongued devil Joe Biden, who we all know is eminently qualified to be Pres.


"Its no surprise the campaign is looking for a scapegoat."

Usually they blame their own voters (those paleolithic redneck right-wingers).
 
Written By: timactual
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Usually they blame their own voters (those paleolithic redneck right-wingers).
Worked like a charm for Murtha.
 
Written By: Linda Morgan
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I believe the title of the post is "Sarah Palin and the Future". She’ll be as qualified as anyone in 4 years.

Bruce, anybody who is better qualified than she is right now will also spend the next four years "going to school" as you put it. They’re likely to remain better qualified, rather than sit in stasis.

To be clear, I’m not saying she can’t be qualified, or that she can’t overcome her current PR situation. I just don’t understand why Republicans as a whole would choose to play Professor Higgins and Colonel Pickering with this woman for the next four years. Whether she can be taught or not, if the GOP doesn’t have a better candidate, then it’s in worse shape than I thought.
 
Written By: Wulf
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That’s why I said she has to do the work necessary to broaden her base. Just like Obama was able to calm the fears of enough people that he wasn’t a radical and could do the job, Palin must accomplish the same thing. Only exposure is going to make that happen

Let me be contrarian towards my own prejuidices for once and sort of agree with McQ. It’s possible. In theory. There’s no reason why it couldn’t happen. If she actually did these things. Put herself through an intensive educational process on economics, foreign policy, etc, etc.

I don’t believe she’ll do it. Why? Which of the following two things are more likely?

#1. The McCain team really didn’t try to prepare Palin for the Couric interview at all, or really messed up their job of it.

#2. She really wasn’t able to absorb it.

All the leaks suggest #2, but not only that, #2 is more plausible.

She could really be a smart and determined person, and if she is, she will indeed buckle down and impress people in four years. In order for that to be true, all the press has to be wrong about her style, or her style will have to change. Not just rumors about sensational stories like Africa’s status as a country or continent, but the in-depth pieces with people on record about her brittle ego and well-developed indifference to policy.

Maybe the press is wrong. I’m not betting on it.

Bobby Jindal, on the other hand, seems so far to be a highly competent guy. I don’t agree with him on much, and he benefits from being in an Obama-2004-like position, a rising star not making a big move, but I have seen no credible even against that and some for it.

Seriously, I think a lot of what some people like about Palin - or why they vouch for her - is all the cr*p she’s taking from the other side. That’s an admirable instinct, to defend your own people, but it also lets the other side lead you around by the nose. As long as we’re careful to be really mean to targets that really do have fatal flaws, you’ll anchor yourselves to those folks and go nowhere, says the logic.
 
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Bruce, anybody who is better qualified than she is right now will also spend the next four years "going to school" as you put it. They’re likely to remain better qualified, rather than sit in stasis.
Unless you assume the threshold for ’qualified’ keeps moving, I don’t see your point. And of course "better" then becomes a matter of opinion.
 
Written By: McQ
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"Most qualified" is a threshold that does keep moving, but clearly that’s not the metric that matters most.

No, my point, as I said, is that I just don’t understand why Republicans as a whole would choose to play Professor Higgins and Colonel Pickering with this woman for the next four years. What inherent value is there in this woman that makes her worth the effort of all that grooming? Is it that you think she will be viable when she finally gets to the "matter of opinion" point?

I just don’t see that she could ever be both a viable candidate and good for my personal liberties. I’d love to have one of her fans explain this. Personally, I think the GOP has much bigger fish to fry than to try to find a way for Sarah Palin to sit through an interview without gaffing... especially if you think the media is always going to be out to get her.
 
Written By: Wulf
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"Most qualified" is a threshold that does keep moving, but clearly that’s not the metric that matters most.
It is also a threshold which is largely ruled by opinion.
No, my point, as I said, is that I just don’t understand why Republicans as a whole would choose to play Professor Higgins and Colonel Pickering with this woman for the next four years.
I’m not suggesting anything like that. I’m suggesting that’s what she has to do. It isn’t up to Republicans or the RNC. It is up to Sarah Palin.

That’s not to say there won’t be those willing to help her accomplish what she needs to accomplish, but I certainly don’t see that as someone else’s job.
I just don’t see that she could ever be both a viable candidate and good for my personal liberties.
That’s fine, but that’s not the argument here. How does she overcome the bad start she got in national politics? At least that’s what I’ve been discussing.

Once she’s made herself into a more viable candidate and I have a much better read on her politics (i.e. does she hold personal beliefs that I may not agree with but govern without trying to impose them, or is she one who trys to impose her personal beliefs through her governance?) then I’ll make that decision about her as a candidate I can or can’t support.

But at this point, I just don’t have that sort of a read on any of that.
 
Written By: McQ
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I like some things about Bush. I think he’s gotten a terrible rap on many fronts. But it would be nice to have a GOP candidate who can articulate complex positions and is well-insulated from charges of being a lightweight. Sarah Palin can study up all she likes, she will never completely escape the consequences of the media hit, her premature unveiling and lack of innate curiosity.

Call me a snob, but if a candidate can’t answer the questions she flubbed at the national political level at 44 years old, I’m not particularly interested in that person as a voter, given what must be better alternatives. For all of the media’s unfairness, a sizable portion of independents would have seen through the hit if she had presented herself as a credible, knowledgeable CINC.

No, my point, as I said, is that I just don’t understand why Republicans as a whole would choose to play Professor Higgins and Colonel Pickering with this woman for the next four years.

Bingo.

Frankly, beyond her future role as a governor, regional representative or a "white Oprah," as Fey jokingly characterized her ambition, I think she’ll be an albatross on the GOP if she is seriously in contention for a 2012 nomination. A lot can change in 4 years, but you can mark me down for this early observation and hold me to it.
 
Written By: Bill from INDC
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She’s got the right enemies.

When she first appeared, what about her was attacked most viciously?

Her children. Her baby.

The immediate visceral reaction was that Palin is a breeder. Barefoot, pregnant and too stupid to know "what causes that."

Feminists hated her on sight because she didn’t subsume her own political sense for loyalty to the sisterhood and sign on to liberal philosophy. Worse, Palin is a breeder. The whole "feminist" world view is predicated on the compelling NEED to abort babies so they don’t destroy your life.

Add to that that Palin doesn’t think we should suffer for the Polar Bears, doesn’t agree with the anti-science "global warming is 100% caused by people" religious faith, and she definitely has all the right enemies.

Does anyone think that Obama will do A THING to get us energy independent? Anyone want to take a bet on how many nuclear power plants will be approved in the next four years? How much *new* domestic oil production will be initiated? Money for research into marginal "alternate" energy sources, sure... but nothing that won’t be supplemental at *best*. In 2012 we’ll be another four years behind.
 
Written By: Synova
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Lipstick on a Pygmalion!

Better yet, a musical, My Fairbanks Lady!

I have watched a lot of talk among Republicans about what to do about the SoCon problem. The suggestions from within the party have ranged from throwing them out, to ignoring them since they have nowhere else to go, to continue pandering to them. I have not yet seen anyone suggest that they be the pointman of the party.

Having Sarah Palin as the face of the Republican party would, IMHO, put the SoCons as the face of the Republican party.

As Paul Begala said, 80% of Republicans would like to see Sarah Palin lead their national party, and 100% of Democrats would like to see this.

Sarah Palin is 44 years old, most of what she doesn’t know, I learned in college and somehow managed to retain. Sure, she could learn to press all the right buttons, and how to answer national policy questions. But if a person, by the time they are in their mid 40’s, hasn’t been curious enough about national policy to know some very basic facts about our world, is this really who you want taking the reins? Obama has clearly been immersing himself in national policy for the last 4 years, but does anyone think he was not pretty well informed on these topics before 2004?

I find it entertaining that Republicans call Obama an empty suit and a blank slate, and then, with a straight face, talk about turning a genuinely blank slate and filling in the blanks with their policy ideas.

Palin is not a conservative, except as a social conservative. Her fiscal policies were all over the place, from lowering property taxes (conservative) to raising sales taxes (not conservative) to deficit spending during good economic times (not conservative), raising taxes on industry (not conservative), redistributing taxes from industry to the citizens (not conservative), a 28% spending increase in Alaska as Governor (not conservative).

She is ONLY consistent as a social conservative, where she opposes ALL abortion, even in cases of rape and incest. She opposes gay marriage, she appears to support teaching creationism or intelligent design in schools, supports abstinence only sex education. She is in lockstep on SoCon issues, and appears to have no conservative philosophical foundation on the non-social issues.

You may as well train Mike Huckabee how to be a fiscal conservative, or, if you want a pretty face, get a FOX anchor babe, they are likely ahead of Palin on the learning curve, and really, as attractive as Palin is, the FOX girls are smokin’ hot.

It’s going to be an interesting few years for the Republican Party.
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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I think that the assumption that social conservatives are a problem is just silly. For example... when people vote on marriage it’s not a portion of social cons voting against gay marriage, or those measures would fail.

It seems, rather, that Democrats have a "social con" problem.

The prejudice that insists that religious conservatives are anti-science and thus irrational, doesn’t stand up to, well, scientific scrutiny. Who signs on to unscientific "consensus" thinking when it comes to global warming? Yet, bring up "creationism" and people who should know better than to go with emotion start having fainting spells.
 
Written By: Synova
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It’s going to be an interesting few years for the Republican Party.
Not half as interesting as the democratic party after the policy disasters that the big Zero will wrought.
 
Written By: capt joe
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I think Palin would be better suited to a supporting role in the party rather than as a candidate. I think the media got to her and the first impression ended up bad, which is unfortunate, but a fact of life.
 
Written By: Harun
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I hope Palin is now free to speak truth to power by calling Obama "socialist doofus," "Red-diaper Buppie," etc.
 
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