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All of these corpses (awfully militaristic, eh?) will of course be government operated and financed. After a few years of this I expect that all those thousands of non-governmental service groups (Optimists, K of C, Shriners, Jaycees, Ruritan, etc. ad inf.) will be encouraged to merge with whatever corps they feel appropriate, so that they will not waste resources in redundant and possibly conflicting efforts. |
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timactual
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Classroom Corps? Health Corps? Clean Energy Corps? Veterans Corps? I thought leftists were anti-corporatism? |
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huh
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Ugh.
I don’t know what people think the "American Dream" is but I really doubt that it has anything at all to do with community service.
As it is, my daughter has an 80 hour community service requirement for her charter high school and she’s begging to get a job, to work, and I’m telling her to get her community service hours "out of the way" so that when she can *work* she can do that for the few hours she has available after her class-work. Does someone think that kids are sitting around idle? Even without those mandatory service hours an after school *job* is almost out of the question.
Double this for college students... when, pray tell, in their daily schedule can they possibly find the time for 100 hours of community service? Maybe, if their parents are RICH and they don’t have to get a job!
And the reasoning... that students will learn after this experience of being made to work for no pay, that it’s intrinsically rewarding to volunteer, is actually going to teach exactly the opposite. What makes it intrinsically rewarding to volunteer is very much dependent on the fact that you did what you did freely for no reward except knowing that you helped out.
When I was in college I went to a concert at the State Fair... country band I think, so lots of adults and older people... and it rained and the parking lot turned into knee deep mud. ALL the cars were stuck. My friends and I pushed one car after another out of the lot. With the exception of one group, everyone was thankful and thrilled that they didn’t need to ruin their clothes too, pushing their car out, and it felt *great* to just spontaneously help like that. It was more fun than the concert, even if we did get in trouble for tracking mud into the dorms the next day.
Imagine, if you would, if working the parking lot at the State Fair was our "mandatory community service hours". Would any of us been on the high we were on when we staggered back to the dorms afterward?
Helping people *feels* fabulous.
Doing a CHORE, feels like a CHORE. |
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Written By:
Synova
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"More practically, are there 800 million hours (8 million kids at 100 hours each) of meaningful community service work out there?"
No. Most of the community service college students do now is... questionable. |
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Effeminem
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Any Obama supporter who doesn’t immediately join one of these various corps. is a chickenhawk. |
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shark
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"So now it’s a ’goal’ and a bribe instead of being mandatory..."
Hah hah! You seem surprised that The Clown™ is going back on his "promises."
Uh, those weren’t "promises." They were lies to make the morons who voted for him do just that.
So, it is now Saturday, four days since he won the election, and already he is going back on this. What will happen once The Clown™ is President? Back to taking away guns? Gays in the military? Closing down coal plants (and the jobs of the dupes who voted for him in West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, and Pennsylvania)?
Oh, this will be a really fun four years. |
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James Marsden
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Question: Is there really some huge group of students who want to attend college and have the necessary talent, but can not due to financial issues?
I don’t mean a handful of people around the edges who cannot, because there’s a certain number of people who will always have this problem and $4K a year only marginally decreases that number (at great, great cost). I mean, a systematic failure for talented people to come up with money?
Or has this simply become a standard way for a politician to "show they care" with our money?
Honest question. Yes, I have a guess at an answer, but I’m willing to be corrected. Please do it with stats, though, not anecdotes.
(We already send too many people to college. The solution to this problem is not to send more.) |
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Jeremy Bowers
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James: I, for one, consider this a good sign. I’m willing to judge Obama by what he does, not what he says. And if perchance he keeps talking pretty and bedazzling his fans while not actually doing anything he promised, maybe even cutting the budget (? dare I hope?), well, than I shall consider myself lucky.
Let the bedazzled useful idiots judge on words. I shall judge on results. And frankly, "Obama does nothing of consequence" would suit me pretty well, all in all. (If he is indeed driven by ego and a need for everyone to like him, and I think the way he is silently and rapidly backing off on this with what is in practice almost no pressure applied would support that, then "does nothing" is actually a reasonably likely outcome.) |
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Jeremy Bowers
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My favorite part is the "ensuring that the first $4,000 of their college education is completely free" bit. In the tradition of Inigo Montoya, I do not think that word means what they think it means. |
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Joe R.
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fully refundable tax credit I thought I knew what this meant.
What does this mean?
A tax credit, I figured was an amount that you didn’t have to pay... like a deduction... so it doesn’t happen until you have an income.
But how would something like that be *refundable*?
Are they talking about giving college students money while they are in college?
If so... how would *that* be refundable?
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Written By:
Synova
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The idea is to get students into community activist centers for indoctrination. |
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jpm100
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Wikipedia: Tax credits. A "refundable" tax credit can drop your tax liability below zero, giving you a refund after no taxes.
Most people don’t realize this is possible, which is how Obama has flown his tax-based redistribution plans under the public’s notice. There was coverage of this (link is an example), but it just sort of flew under the radar. I actually saw the misconception that this is impossible in my workplace, so I suspect that the vast majority of people don’t understand that "cutting 95% of the taxes" was intended to be a literal description, not a mathematically-impossible promise. |
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Written By:
Jeremy Bowers
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So... when my son starts school next year he can file his taxes with no income at all because he spent 100 hours volunteering someplace and he’ll get $4000 back on his "tax return?"
Cool Beans.
Free money.
And here I thought he’d have to get a job at McDonald’s.
(Gots to go to bed before I get silly and embarrass myself.) |
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Written By:
Synova
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Just to be really clear...
This is a good idea the way that standing on an office chair to reach something on a high shelf is a good idea... or piercing your own nose is a good idea... or throwing up to lose weight is a good idea... or baking cookies while blogging is a good idea... |
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Written By:
Synova
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On the other hand... Free Money.
I don’t expect that if this idiocy goes through that I’ll fall on my libertarian sword for the sake of moral superiority or some notion that I won’t be paying for my kid’s education one way or another. |
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Written By:
Synova
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Do the math. If we pay a kid $40 an hour, that pay grade equates to $83,200 per year. I do not know any kid who’s worth that kind of money. A fair wage would be $10 an hour, max. |
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$10 an hour or $40... if people are going to be hired to do work, don’t call it volunteering.
Just hire someone. |
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Synova
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Can I get paid for my volunteer work when I was in college, so that I can pay off my student loans? |
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Screw the kids who choose technical schools where they’ll learn a skill and skip the ’liberal aspects’ of education....heh. |
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