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Hugging and loving, Part II
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, November 11, 2008

Via New Paltz Journal, this from Victor Davis Hanson:
When I hear a partisan insider like Paul Begala urging at the 11th hour that we now rally around lame-duck Bush in his last few days, I detect a sense of apprehension that no Democrats would wish conservatives to treat Obama as they did Bush for eight years.
I love the smell of desperation in the air, it smells of hypocrisy. It is as if Begala and the left have had the scales suddenly fall from their eyes and they've realized the depth of their vicious, hateful, nasty, venomous, personal and classless attacks over the last 8 years.

And they're fearful that the right will engage in the same tactics of personal destruction and smear which has been their hallmark for so long.

They want to embrace Bush for a couple of months and that makes it all ok? You can't help but laugh at such mewling claptrap.

I continue to be stunned by the audacity of these people - to ask for, and sometimes demand, something they were completely unwilling to give of themselves. I shouldn't be, I guess, but I am. And I have reason to be:
Goodbye, we can say at last, to the most powerful man in the world being such a ridiculous buffoon, incapable of stringing together two coherent sentences. Goodbye to cringing with dread every time our president steps onto the world stage, sure he'll say or do something to embarrass us all. Goodbye to being represented by a man who embodies everything our enemies want the people of the world to believe about America — that we are ignorant, cruel, and only care about foreign countries when we decide to stomp on them. Goodbye to his giggle, and his shoulder shake, and his nicknames. Goodbye to a president who talks to us like we're a nation of fourth-graders.
Just as graceless in victory as they were in defeat.

You know, on a personal note, Barack Obama's policies and ideas (as well as those of most of the left) are in opposition to almost everything I believe in. But they're ideological and policy differences, not personal ones.

And while I don't politically share anything with the man, personally I don't wish him ill. I think he's in over his head and I think his ideas and policies will be a disaster, but you're not going to find me calling him "Obamaacorncommie" over the next few years (although I have to admit I do love shark's "Ocarter").

However I am going to take him to task over just about everything he says, does or claims (and I believe the fact that he is finally going to have to do something instead of just talk about it will provide a target rich environment). I just plan on doing it without descending to the depths of derangement and depravity with which the left seemed to become so comfortable. Whether I'm successful in that regard, remains to be seen - I'm only human - but I'll give it a shot.

In the meantime, to the left - STFU with all this hugging and loving nonsense. Your hypocrisy sickens me. And besides, I'd rather hug a porcupine.
 
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I have too much self respect to behave like the left has done. I refuse to slander the man. I won’t lie about him. I’ll even give him credit if anything good comes of his policies, but I don’t expect to have to.

I will oppose every policy I find repugnant (involuntary servitude) or harmful (raise taxes in a recession). There is no honeymoon. There isn’t even a marriage.

 
Written By: MarkD
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I will oppose every policy I find repugnant (involuntary servitude) or harmful (raise taxes in a recession). There is no honeymoon. There isn’t even a marriage.
exactly, there isn’t a need to lie. Actions and deeds speak.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Be careful using the term "target rich environment" in the context of a president elect... they haven’t closed Guantanamo yet.

I have been immensely impressed with the reaction from the right as it has been nearly the opposite of the left with Bush which was just classless.
 
Written By: A Fischer
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Check out this
Just hours after President Bush and President-elect Obama met in the Oval Office of the White House, details of their confidential conversation began leaking out to the press, igniting anger from the president, sources claim.

"Senator Obama would be wise to keep close counsel," a top Bush source warned.
like I saids actions and deeds speak.
 
Written By: capt joe
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More Carter like behavior
The incoming Obama administration plans to explore a more regional strategy to the war in Afghanistan — including possible talks with Iran — and looks favorably on the nascent dialogue between the Afghan government and "reconcilable" elements of the Taliban, according to Obama national security advisers.
What could go wrong?
 
Written By: capt joe
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Sorry: I’m not in to being gracious to the filthy dems (spit) who have done their best to trash my country for the past several years as an unintended (?) result of their BDS. They didn’t stop with merely expressing their distaste for Bush or disagreement with his policies: they did their best to lose the war. They’ve trashed our troops. They’ve spread and supported incredible conspiracy theories about 9-11. Now they want to kiss and make up?

I. Don’t. Think. So.

That being said, I won’t make movies to spread lies about bad things that will happen under The Annointed One’s administration. I won’t make movies about assassinating him. I won’t have meetings with Assad or Chavez. I won’t leak classified information. In short, I won’t act like a democrat (spit).
 
Written By: docjim505
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The cultural lock-down is moving through the teachers unions and school systems.

So, expect fresh money headed in that direction, and lots of it. At the school system in my locale the schools superintendant got her re-education a few years ago and came back telling everyone that they had to read the cracker-barrel Marxist Howard Zinn’s "A People’s History of the United States," or, as I like to call it, "America With All the Good Parts Left Out." (Boris Erb thinks it’s a great book!, for example.)

We are an oppressive, racist, sexist, homophobic society, and every child needs to learn that, and about the terror of global warming.

That is our public school system.

Everyone who can should get their kids out of it.

Obama is also going to take on the duties of First Priest and if you don’t want to take Communion from him you’re going to be moved to the margins.

The unions, the universities, fields like social work, the school systems, will be the enforcers. There will be tests in the corporate world, in government bureaucracies, in professional societies. All of it to make sure you are taking Communion from Obama.

Don’t think it’s possible: you just saw it happen in the media.

 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
"It is as if Begala and the left have had the scales suddenly fall from their eyes and they’ve realized the depth of their vicious, hateful, nasty, venomous, personal and classless attacks over the last 8 years."

The Left has not woken up to realize what they have done since 2000. All they have is the fear that it will be done to them - and they will use race as a billy club to get people to back off. We can almost hear it now: someone will say, "Obama has done nothing on the economy, and unemployment is up," and the response will be: "You are nothing but a racist."

Now, if some people answer that with: "Hey, FUGG YOU. I can criticize the man, and nothing I said has anything to do with his race."

Maybe if the Left got that shoved right in their faces, it will bring an end to this "white guilt trip" we have been forced to trod on these 40+ years.

To the Left: You got your man elected. A black man can make it in America, despite being an unknown and a liar. He beat the white guy. Now take your racism, and your guilt imposed on us, and your affirmative action, and shove it all UPPAYOUASS.

Maybe the election of The Clown™ will put an end to this. Maybe there is a silver lining to his election after all.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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I thought being a Patriotic American meant mindlessly rallying around the Prez in a time of (perpetual) war? Talk about hypocrisy.
 
Written By: TomD
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I think that says more about screwed up what you "thought" was than anything else.
 
Written By: McQ
URL: http://www.QandO.net
I agree with you completely regarding the decline of political dialog in America, but to be fair you would have to acknowledge the routine practice of attaching derogatory nicknames to members of the opposition which we on the right also employ.

Cutesy names add nothing to the discourse and as you note, demean the speaker at least as much as the target.
 
Written By: Ed Rasimus
URL: http://www,thundertales.blogspot.com
Yeah, it’s all the left...you wouldn’t attack Murtha, Pelosi, Ried, Kerry, Dean and others on the left in personal and degrading terms. No, that would be hypocrisy, wouldn’t it? As someone who tries to be respectful of both the so-called left and so-called right (though I suspect we’re moving away from that very narrow perspective on political thought — the age of ideologies is ending), I’m always abit amused that each side notices the sins of the other side, but somehow remains oblivious to those by themselves. Ever listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, read Goldberg, Hugh Hewitt, etc.? Oh no, the right doesn’t do nasty, only the left, eh? Of course, when I call for us all to have reasoned discourse and let the arguments get considered, I get mocked as "Mr. Rogers." Yet that is my view.
http://scotterb.wordpress.com
 
Written By: Scott Erb
URL: http://faculty.umf.maine.edu/~erb/blog.htm
Of course, when I call for us all to have reasoned discourse and let the arguments get considered, I get mocked as "Mr. Rogers."
get off the cross, you have to die to be a martyr
 
Written By: huh
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someone will say, "Obama has done nothing on the economy, and unemployment is up," and the response will be: "You are nothing but a racist."
You forgot to add the rest of the meme. They will say "you are nothing but a racist and it’s Bush’s fault anyway." President Bush will constantly be in the news for the next eight years (yes, I am pessimistically predicting two terms) as he will be the fall guy for everything. When people like Erb say "Well, the right blamed Clinton for lots of things over the last eight years," they will be right. However, the difference will be that the right blamed Clinton for things that he was actually responsible for like allowing terrorism to metastasize on his watch, pumping a hundreds of billions of dollars of liquidity into the sub-prime mortgage market, etc.

In regard to name calling, it is true that the right does it too. However, as with pretty much everything, there is more substance to back up the right’s name calling. The left says that Bush lied about WMD, yet four separate investigations have found that he didn’t. On the other hand, if I call Pelosi stupid, I can point to something like her belief that natural gas is not a fossil fuel. The first criticism is baseless, and the second is not.
 
Written By: jt007
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Erb,

Murtha called a platoon of U.S. troops in Iraq cold-blooded murderers without having any facts.

Reid, whose name you insist on serially misspelling, from the floor of the U.S. Senate, as the majority leader, declared the war in Iraq lost, while our troops were just beginning to bring the situation under control.

You, well, I don’t need to recite that indictment again.

The way that George Bush has been treated, from the Left, has been nothing less than streaming demonic hatred. And your passive aggressive participation in it, including your years-long cheerleading for carbombers in Iraq, hasn’t fooled anyone I’m familiar with. And I bet it hasn’t fooled but a handful of your students, either.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
I intend to give him EXACTLY the deference, support, and slack that the Democrats gave Bush.

And I don’t even like Bush.
 
Written By: kyleN
URL: http://impudent.blognation.us/blog
Ever listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, read Goldberg, Hugh Hewitt, etc.? Oh no, the right doesn’t do nasty, only the left, eh?
When I elect them as my representatives Scott you’ll have a leg to stand on with your argument.
Meanwhile, put the whitewash brush up, we’re not all them.
You don’t get it either. Like Tom you wander in here only when it suits you on discussions where the ’site’ has taken a stand in support of something you think you can score some points with.

You almost NEVER come in here when the criticisms of the right are flying fast and free in comments on a post.
I’ve watched those posts, and there are almost always <> from most of the usual representatives of the left, both moderate and moonbat.

 
Written By: looker
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"Ocarter" is good. I like to call him "The Red Diaper Buppie," or "Il Gucci."
 
Written By: Bilwick
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I agree with you completely regarding the decline of political dialog in America, but to be fair you would have to acknowledge the routine practice of attaching derogatory nicknames to members of the opposition which we on the right also employ.


There is certainly a human tendency to objectify opponents and enemies that is not dependent upon political leanings, and we would all probably do well to police ourselves. However, the Bush years have seen a constant ejaculation of vitriol from the Left that surpasses anything I have ever seen one faction of Americans suject their own countrymen to. Granted, I was only a child when you were a Yankee Air Pilot, and I missed, firsthand, the enmity shown to Vietnam War vets and Seggregationist Racists towards blacks, but stuff like this has been disgraceful beyond compare in my adult experience:

http://www.zombietime.com/ There is no equivalent on the Right for this, or even sites like DU and Kos, which is accorded mainstream recognition by the Democrats.

Sure, there were conspiracy nuts that thought Clinton killed Vince Foster and Ron Brown, but that was nothing like what we’ve seen towards Bush, who has been compared to Hitler more than even Hitler was himself, and it’s been largely ignored by the media. People who aren’t hooked into the internet as a primary form of news, like many in my mom’s generation, have no idea this goes on.

Even though I oppose Obama no less than those people opposed Bush, you’ll not see such dishonorable behavior from me. Obama is my president, he is The President, and I wish him Godspeed. That doesn’t mean I won’t be harshly critical of him, but it does mean I put my country ahead of my politics, and my politics are not my religion, as it appears to be for so many on the Left.

It’s an honor to speak to you, sir, even this informally, and I hope to see you more around this site.
 
Written By: Augustus
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Prof. Erb — I understand that Limbaugh and Hannity can play rough, but you will have to back up your indictment of Hewitt and Goldberg with examples. And I don’t mean the very idea that Goldberg would write a book titled "Liberal Fascism." Goldberg explains very clearly what he means by that and that he is not accusing liberals of being Nazis.

You might refresh your memory of Ted Rall’s challenge here and here.

Then you might come up with a right-wing analog to Pulitzer prize winning author Jane Smiley’s screed in 2004 subtitled, "The Unteachable Ignorance of the Red States."

Or all the left-wing writers, speakers, movie makers and radio announcers who have publicly fantasized about George W. Bush’s assassination. Are we going to see any drooling fantasies about Obama’s murder that high up?

Or how about googling Chimp or Chimpy Bush. What’s your bet that we are going to see a lot of "Apey Obama" references on the web?
 
Written By: huxley
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Prof. Erb — Then there’s this guy who keeps showing up on this blog to rail about how the Iraq War is worst foreign policy disaster in our history or that the US has been running its foreign policy with no concern for consequences to the rest of the world.

He also goes on about reasoned discourse but he doesn’t stick around to defend these claims, only to scold us for being biased.
 
Written By: huxley
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Granted, I was only a child when you were a Yankee Air Pilot, and I missed, firsthand, the enmity shown to Vietnam War vets ...
You’re close Augustus - I believe the term was "Yankee Air Pirates". However you hit on one of the single most important reasons I have very little use for the left. I got to see that "enmity" first hand - and you know what, they haven’t changed tactics one bit since then.

Personal attacks, smears, and outright lies against those with whom they disagree, plus the ability, it seems, to actually hate their opponents. And this is one "baby killer" who has never forgotten. So their pleas and promises fall on deaf ears here.

They are what they’ve been for over 30 years and I see nothing which indicates they’ll change.

Like I said: tigers, stripes.
 
Written By: McQ
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Yeah, it’s all the left...you wouldn’t attack Murtha, Pelosi, Ried, Kerry, Dean and others on the left in personal and degrading terms. The fact they they’re all pretty sorry characters is beside the point. If you criticize any of them, you’re just out of bounds. Because they’ve aligned themselves with wise leftists and hewed to the post-modern narrative, so that automatically puts them out of bounds. Don’t you dense righties get any of this?

I’m someone who tries to be respectful of both the so-called left and so-called right. I’m respectful of the left by parroting their post-modern talking points, and I’m respectful of the right in that I don’t overtly curse when I talk about them.

I suspect we’re moving away from that very narrow perspective on political thought — the age of ideologies is ending. It’s like that End of History thing. Since leftism has clearly won, there’s no need for any other ideologies.

I’m always a bit amused that each side notices the sins of the other side, but somehow remains oblivious to those by themselves. And the fact that the left is about a hundred times more vitriolic is beside the point. By the holy post-modernist principle of moral equivalence, one single questionable act by someone on the right excuses an infinite number of much worse acts by someone on the left. That’s just the way it is. Suck on it, righties.

Ever listen to Hannity, Limbaugh, read Goldberg, Hugh Hewitt, etc.? And don’t start with what a nice, personable guy Hewitt is, OK, just don’t start. And Goldberg - well his book came right out and called us all fascists. At least that’s what we’ve agreed on in the faculty lounge. I wouldn’t actually read such trash, of course.

Oh no, the right doesn’t do nasty, only the left, eh? Of course, when I call for us all to have reasoned discourse and let the arguments get considered, I get mocked as "Mr. Rogers." Even if my arguments have been roundly squashed a hundred times before, and I’ve never posted anything but obvious cliches and leftist talking points, in the name of reasoned discourse, you owe me the courtesy of taking me seriously. Otherwise, you’re just exhibiting that the right is as mean as the left.

You really shouldn’t be mean to me. Really. My leftist friends aren’t mean to me, and they don’t call me a dweeb, and make fun of the fact that I have never created an original, coherent argument in my life. So you righties ought not be mean to me either. And you can show that you’re not mean by coming over to my blog and engaging me in reasoned discourse. You can read my posts with word counts so big you’d better have broadband, and they won’t either put you to sleep in the first two paragraphs, so stop saying that! And stop laughing! You owe me more respect! That is my view.
 
Written By: Ott Scerb
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Erb, I think I speak for all of us here when I say that we respect the memory of Mr. Rogers far too much to compare you to him.
 
Written By: Steverino
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"I get mocked as "Mr. Rogers."

Don’t flatter yourself. You are not in his league. You get mocked as dishonest, ignorant, .....etc. ad inf., none of which applies to Mr. Rogers.
 
Written By: timactual
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You’re close Augustus - I believe the term was "Yankee Air Pirates"
Yes, that’s correct, and the bad part is I knew that but didn’t correct it. I originally typed in "Thud Pilot", then went back and changed it (2/3 of the way) to "Yankee Air...". Hell, I’ve even got Dick Jonas’ CD with the song on it.

Thanks.
 
Written By: Augustus
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I’m a daily reader but I don’t often comment. But one thing really got me:

"Of course, when I call for us all to have reasoned discourse and let the arguments get considered, I get mocked as "Mr. Rogers." Yet that is my view."

How dare he even use Mr. Rogers’ name in such a way? Mr. Rogers? Are you serious? One of the kindest and most decent men...ever?

I’m sorry.

Oh, and whoever that guy is that mocks Scott Erb with those posts by Ott Scerb.

Genius.

And this:

"There is certainly a human tendency to objectify opponents and enemies that is not dependent upon political leanings, and we would all probably do well to police ourselves. However, the Bush years have seen a constant ejaculation of vitriol from the Left that surpasses anything I have ever seen one faction of Americans suject their own countrymen to. Granted, I was only a child when you were a Yankee Air Pilot, and I missed, firsthand, the enmity shown to Vietnam War vets and Seggregationist Racists towards blacks, but stuff like this has been disgraceful beyond compare in my adult experience:"

Couldn’t have said it better myself.
 
Written By: Jim Sullivan
URL: http://criticalbookworm.blogspot.com/
Hell, I’ve even got Dick Jonas’ CD with the song on it.
TMI!!
 
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