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Trying to keep the race game alive
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, November 25, 2008

It's is going to be tough:
The day after Barack Obama was elected president, Kari Fulton heard a white colleague proclaim that racism in America is dead.

She cringed, worrying that it might be a sign of flagging interest in the fight against discrimination.

"In reality, racism is still very much alive and well," said Fulton, who graduated last year from Howard University, a historically black college in the nation's capital.
Fulton is 23. And she apparently has no idea what has changed in this country with regards to "racism". Fulton seems to have chosen a path which has taken her through a "historically black college", which, if I had to guess, has not given her the broadest look at the state of race relations in the world outside academia.

A few points - the fight against institutional racism seems to have been won by an effort by all people who saw it as a moral wrong. The fight against personal racism will never be won, since on both sides of the color lines, there are those ignorant enough to believe that the pigment in one's skin is somehow significant enough to generate hate for those people.

For every member of the KKK or Aryan Nation, there's a New Black Panther or member of the Nation of Islam.

As for discrimination - it isn't at all a bad thing in every case. We discriminate hundreds of times in our daily lives simply by choosing one thing over another. So while everyone agrees that discrimination because of race is something to be avoided, a blanket condemnation of "discrimination" is so, oh I don't know, 23 year oldish.

Again, we seem to have been successful in discouraging institutional discrimination. That's about the limit of what can be done legally. The rest, what little there is, is a cultural issue which will, over time, resolve itself.

But I hate to break it to Ms. Fulton, who seems to have decided to set herself on a career of trading on her "blackness", but that gig is going to be a much more difficult sale now that Obama has been elected to the White House. It may be time to take her colleague's declaration seriously and understand that the white guilt the left has traded on for decades has been mostly satisfied with Obama's election and is unlikely to be resurrected any time soon.

If Ms. Fulton desires to help the black cause, I suggest she turn her attention to within the black community and fight against the self-inflicted wounds that the likes of Bill Cosby, Juan Williams and Barack Obama have spoken out against instead of tilting at the "white racism" windmill. It would be a much more beneficial use of her time and effort.
 
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While I adamantly disagree with Kari Fulton on her racial outlook and evident insistance that "white racism" can hold her back, I must also adamantly disagree with the inference that her matriculation from Howard University, an historically Black college, has somehow limited her "look at the state of race relations in the world outside academia."

Even today, historically Black colleges such as Howard University graduate a disproportionate number of Black students who achieve success in the so-called "white" working world. For many reasons, African-American graduates of historically Black colleges are actually more likely to integrate better within the larger society. Indeed, Justice Clarence Thomas makes at least a passing reference to this in his concurring opinion in Missouri v. Jenkins.
 
Written By: William Thomas
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Obama’s election doesn’t prove racism has been totally eliminated, but it does put a hard cap on how strong a force it still is, and it’s very easy to argue that the cap represented means it’s no longer worth worrying about at an institutional level.

Interestingly, since this can’t have happened overnight, it also means that the racial harassment of whites of the past decade, give or take some years, was every bit as misinformed then as it is today. It is implausible that racism suddenly evaporated in the past two months; it has to have been gone for a long time.
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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"In reality, racism is still very much alive and well," said Fulton, who graduated last year from Howard University, a historically black college in the nation’s capital.
Does anyone see the irony in this statement?
 
Written By: jjmurphy
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With respect to individual racism, I’d argue that it is largely driven by the fact that stereotypes are still useful predictors.

Not long ago, the black population (less than 15%) was responsible for 49% of homicides. While this is driven by cultural differences, it isn’t surprising that some blame racial differences. In any case, skin color is a useful input for predicting behaviour, and I expect racism to continue as long as that is the case.
 
Written By: Don
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Well Sen "KKK" Byrd(D) did step down from one of his Congressional posts so clearly there has been progress.
 
Written By: TheOldMan
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My response to her:

"Racism is done in this country............now shut up and get me a piece of pie, toots"

:)
 
Written By: shark
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It doesn’t "eliminate racism"; it demonstrates that racism is no bar to the highest office in the land. If it can’t even stop you from being President, than what exactly can it do?
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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must also adamantly disagree with the inference that her matriculation from Howard University, an historically Black college, has somehow limited her "look at the state of race relations in the world outside academia."
Really - what real world experience do you have when you come up in a self-segregated academic atmosphere with little real interaction with the race which is supposedly responsible for racism?

Why should I take what she says seriously given her credentials and experience?
 
Written By: McQ
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"a historically black college"

Or, as George Wallace might have said, ’Historically black/white today, historically black/white tomorrow, historically black/white forever!’.




" African-American graduates of historically Black colleges are actually more likely to integrate better within the larger society"

Ah, so separate but equal schools are good for Black students.

I think Lester, George, Bull, etc., are at least grinning at all this.
 
Written By: timactual
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To both McQ and timactual,

As an African-American myself who also has an African-American wife who went to an historically Black college and who is a college professor at a major "white" college, I think from personal experience I can say that going to an historically Black college is very often (and possibly mostly) beneficial to Black students as they integrate into the larger society.

Indeed, there was a study conducted a few years ago that showed that, although only about 20% of Black college students went to historically Black colleges, nearly have of Black college graduates did. Moreover, on average, graduates of historically Black colleges did better than their African-American counterparts who graduated from majority "white" colleges and universities.

So yes, as a Black man, I am saying that separate but equal is often good for Black students!

The issue with de jure segregation was not, as white liberal racists like to contend, that Black students were not sitting next to White students. The real issue was that Whites controlled the resources available to Black students and purposely and perniciously limited those resources and options available to Black students.

Indeed, please read Justice Thomas’ concurring opinion in Missouri v. Jenkins, 515 U.S. 70, 91 (1995). I love it when he starts off by stating:

"It never ceases to amaze me that the courts are so willing to assume that anything that is predominantly black must be inferior."

I would only add to say that my amazement extends not only to the courts but evidently even many (white) liberatians.
 
Written By: William Thomas
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So yes, as a Black man, I am saying that separate but equal is often good for Black students!
William you do know that you’re making my point don’t you?

I said nothing about Howard being "inferior". What I questioned was how someone who had self-segregated themselves from the race that is supposedly responsible for racism is somehow an authority on racism. How would they know?

Certainly not through experience.

I noticed you never addressed that point, but instead tried to change the subject to "inferior".

Never said a word about, hinted toward or implied "inferior" in any way, shape or form.

I simply asked why a person who has purposely avoided whites is sure white racism still is a problem?

Want to give that a whack this time?
 
Written By: McQ
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But I hate to break it to Ms. Fulton, who seems to have decided to set herself on a career of trading on her "blackness", but that gig is going to be a much more difficult sale now that Obama has been elected to the White House.
Unfortunately, this is not the case. There is a 57 million strong demographic that Krugman, Chomsky, Jackson, Sharpton, etc. can still point to and say: "See those people? They voted against a black man and if not for subtle, perhaps subconscious racism he would have won 70% of the vote." It sounds preposterous until you remember that the left had presupposed racism as the only way Obama could lose the election.
 
Written By: Dion
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"Moreover, on average, graduates of historically Black colleges did better than their African-American counterparts who graduated from majority "white" colleges and universities."

The obvious question is why? Particularly given all the resources poured into programs and scholarship for black students at non-black colleges. Continuing the irony, conservative publications such as National Review agree and lament this. I don’t read many leftish publications, but those I do read either ignore the situation or say it is because not enough money is spent or rules bent.


"It never ceases to amaze me...."

After a generation or three of being told this by government, academia, etc. it may be amazing, but it isn’t surprising.

"The real issue was that Whites controlled the resources available to Black students and purposely and perniciously limited those resources and options available to Black students"

That was undoubtedly true in the past, but unfortunately that excuse is no longer available, and if Ms. Fulton thinks that racism is still the cause of less than optimal education statistics for black students she is part of the problem. Unfortunately the school system of our nation’s capitol is exhibit A, as I am sure the Obamas know.
 
Written By: timactual
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I could see where a black student who had always felt like a "minority" would suddenly feel very different in a school where they were the "majority."

You might compete to excel more. You might realize that your performance cannot be blamed on racism. Then, when you graduated you would be more willing to deal with the real world, so to speak, with a normal perspective that not everyone’s out to get you.

Make any sense?
 
Written By: Harun
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"Make any sense?"

Sure. Makes more sense than some of the arguments I have read.
 
Written By: timactual
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