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Mort Kondrake - Fire Rush Limbaugh
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, November 25, 2008

I got a kick out of this:
How can the Republican Party rebound? The first step would be to quit letting Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham set its agenda.

A second step would be for congressional Republicans to actually try to help President-elect Barack Obama succeed in addressing the country's dire problems – offering better ideas where appropriate and opposing just when necessary, not reflexively.
Uh, Mort - when did those three tell the Republicans to act like Democrats lite, throw their principles under the bus and become the "borrow and spend Republicans?"

When did those three set an agenda that included Medicare Part D, No Child Left Behind and a porkapolluza of the size unseen in modern political history?

You know, I for one can't remember a single instance.

As to the second point - yes, agreed, if appropriate and within the principles which supposedly guide and undergird the Republican party, the same principles they so consistently ignored when they had power (against the advice of the big 3 Kondrake wants fired), they should indeed work with the Obama administration.

But if the actions the Obama administration attempts aren't within those principles, then they should loudly and vigorously oppose them - just as Limbaugh, Ingraham and Hannity pretty consistently advise.

While I agree that those three shouldn't be setting anyone's agenda, looking back at the ruins of the Republican effort, I can't honestly see where anything they gave advice on and which impacted this election was ever followed.

However after assessing Mr. Kondrake's lame attempt to tie Republican problems to them, Republicans would be well advised to fire him.
 
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Why didnt he tell the left to help out Pres Bush and to throw out Air America, Michael Moore, and Keith Olberman?

Oh wait they are the benevelant democrat overlords who can do no wrong.

He is an idiot.



 
Written By: retired military
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Ah, Bruce... I see you do read your comments. Good.
And just so; It’s Kondrake that needs firing.
 
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Written By: rbqzeuhvsb
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"...quit letting Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham set its agenda."
Now that’s hilarious. We should be so lucky to have those three setting the Republican agenda.
 
Written By: the wolf
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Mort’s basically right of course. David Brooks described Palin as the cancer on the Republican party but in reality it’s these folks. Over the past thirty years there has come into being a for profit media industry of talk radio, tv and publishing which appeals to the increasingly polarized "base" of the GOP. My guess based on polls showing approval for Bush and other policy issues is that this is around a third of the electorate and it is deeply committed to what I will call "fundamentalist" views which are by no means exclusively religious although many of them are. These are positions from stem cell research to global warming denial that are simply not majority opinions in the country. Recently they failed to pass referendums in three red states denying or reducing abortion rights which was a conclusive demonstration of this simple reality. It is predominantly white, male, older and shrinking as a percentage of the total electorate. Mr Limbaugh and company have, literally in his case, grown fat feeding the phobias and prejudices of this group. In the process they are turning off independant voters, moderate Republicans, moderate democrats, and ethnic and social minorities. Even worse they are making the base totally unwilling to arrive at an accomodation with the moderate and minority wing of their own party. Rather than address this basic dilemma which Mort has highlighted, McQ and most others get lost among the weeds of policy issues, for example Part D which is just about the only popular thing Bush has ever done, or political tactics. Since the folks in the noise machine who basically don’t give a damn about principles or policies, and are only in it for the money like Murdoch or any of the rest of them, the GOP is stuck with a bunch of arsonists who make people here happy but otherwise are totally counterproductive in the wider electorate. Personally, I believe we are about to see a massive shift left in this country. Conservative hopes for derailing this seem to rest on Obama screwing up but I see no evidence that this is likely to happen. What I do see is an increasingly strident effort to obstruct Democratic moves which will be perceived as destructive and damaging by most people. If Obama performs well this will be a realignment election and the noisy punditry like Limbaugh will be largely responsible.
 
Written By: john
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Mort’s a smart guy... for a lib. But that’s the problem: he’s a lib, and therefore his prescription is for the GOP to adopt positions that he is naturally inclined to like, i.e. lib positions. It’s inconvenient for him and other libs to hear Rush, Sean, et al preaching Reagan-esque conservatism when they’re trying to push the GOP more toward RINO territory.

john - ...I believe we are about to see a massive shift left in this country. Conservative hopes for derailing this seem to rest on Obama screwing up but I see no evidence that this is likely to happen. What I do see is an increasingly strident effort to obstruct Democratic moves which will be perceived as destructive and damaging by most people. If Obama performs well this will be a realignment election and the noisy punditry like Limbaugh will be largely responsible.

I’m afraid that you’re right about one thing: too many Republicans are resting their hopes for the future on The Annointed One being the biggest f***-up since Jimmuh (not that Bush isn’t in the running on that one). I’d rather the GOP be in the position of offering a positive alternative to Hopey Changitude and the Cult of Personality. "Bad for America is good for us!" has been the dems’ basic policy platform for years: I don’t want to be like them.

Be that as it may, I am among those who expect the next several years to be an unmitigated disaster for the United States. My only hope is that there are enough pieces left to pick up after The Annointed One, SanFran Nan, Dingy Harry, and the rest of the democrat (spit) scum in Washington get done turning our country into some sort of half-assed democrat socialist peoples republic.
 
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First, john, it’s really easy to insert paragraph breaks. Just use the key marked "Enter".

Second, if you’re right that Medicare Part D was the only popular thing Bush did, etc., and there’s a massive shift left in this country, then what do you care what conservatives and libertarians do? Given your assumptions, it won’t make any difference.

So if it won’t make any difference what I do, why should I (or anyone else not on the left) just bend over and take whatever the left wants to hand out? That would certainly make things easy for your side, but you have not given us any motivation whatsoever to go along with you.

At worst, if we are right in what we believe in about the inevitable cataclysm of too much government, then we have the responsibility to keep the ideological fire burning against the day that people are mugged by reality and ready to listen to us.

So go right along with the inevitable expansion and ever-increasing intrusion of government. May your chains rest lightly upon you. But don’t expect us to take on the same slavish mentality just because you have.

 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Ummmm...no.

All of the hardliner radio-heads made NO opposition to Bush or the GOP held Congress until the Harriet Miers debacle. They whistled past the graveyard for FIVE YEARS before any of them seriously opposed this administration. Spending? Forget it. . Patriot Act? Please! These people were all FOR IT, in the name of National Security.

It was only after Harriet Miers that these people started seriously voicing opposition to the bad policies on the right. I remember Rush railing about being, "tired of carrying their water!!" on the air after the 2006 mid-term wipeout.

Way too much revisionism going on with the right-wingers... Pay attention!

 
Written By: MT Lassen
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john,, rush right out today and get a copy of Hayek’s ROAD TO SERFDOM. Read it. Twice.

Like Scott Erb, john wants the GOP to be a safe (that is, no threat to the Hive plantation) me-too party whose "philosophy" is a kind of de-balled "responsible conservatism" (as the Dems used to call the harmless academic conservatism of the 1950s), whose spokespeople would be the "Vichy Conservatives," such as David Brooks, or as I call him, "Uncle Dave." In other words, a conservatism that Knows Its Place.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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If the GOP had listened to Limbaugh, they may have won this thing.

Gee, I wonder why certain people want him gone

Hmmmmmm.

Who’s best served by getting rid of possibly the most effective, popular and articulate enunciator of those views?

Just pass your damn fairness doctrine and get it over with. We don’t need your "help" thanks. YOU go worry about making sure the boy-king doesn’t wet his pants once Putin or Iran tests him to see what kind of punk they’re dealing with.
 
Written By: shark
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The pundits on the right are sometimes pretty hard to take, that much I will agree with. But they are hardly the problem.

Why in the hell would we take the advice of a moderate leftist like Mort?

It is obvious to anyone with a brain to see what went wrong. Shall I spell it out?

1) A war entered into for perceived false reasons, then poorly executed.

2) Unbridled spending, and huge government programs form the party that advertises itself as the small government party.

3) Going too far on intelligence reforms and the patriot act

4) ineptitude in dealing with a variety of issues whether it be border security, or emergency responses.

5) personal corruption, especially in the congress.

6) not only a failure to articulate positions, but a failure to live up to them.

Limbaugh had squat all to do with it.
 
Written By: kyleN
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Considering the running "argument" I am having about George W. Bush in another thread, please let me make it clear that I completely disagree with John above.

Personally, I think the "Rush Limbaughs" have been right (and Right, forgive the puerile double entendre) and that the problem with the Republican Party is that it has not been conservative enough. Under this supposedly "conservative" (okay, "compassionate conservative" but even still the word "conservative" remains) administration, we have seen the largest increase in the size and scope of the Federal government since the New Deal and now we are seeing some of the ill-effects of those (and other) liberal policies.

But the real crime here is that many conservatives and others who should know better have allowed these unavoidable liberal failures to be labelled "conseravtive" by the general public. Until conservatives and libertarians gain the backbone and gumption to call liberal policies "liberal" even when conducted by a supposedly "conservative" administration, we are doomed to continue toward the path of socialism, failure and doom.

Fire Mort Kondracke, Rush Limbaugh for President!
 
Written By: William Thomas
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"Rush Limbaugh for President!"


Or Palin. Either way it’s 1964 all over again. If you thought the Great Society was a good idea, then go ahead and push for the most right-wing candidates you can find. After all, isn’t it better to be right than President?
 
Written By: John Stone
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Even worse they are making the base totally unwilling to arrive at an accomodation with the moderate and minority wing of their own party.
Uh, the Repubs nominated a RINO this time around. The problem the Rebublicans face is not that they are conservative.
Conservative hopes for derailing this seem to rest on Obama screwing up but I see no evidence that this is likely to happen.
Given that all his ideas are backwards, he can’t help but screwing up.
Or Palin. Either way it’s 1964 all over again. If you thought the Great Society was a good idea, then go ahead and push for the most right-wing candidates you can find.
Yeah, the RINO really worked in 2008, didn’t he?

In four years, we will need a good conservative to run. Not a RINO, but someone with real conservitive principles.
 
Written By: Don
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If you thought the Great Society was a good idea, then go ahead and push for the most right-wing candidates you can find. After all, isn’t it better to be right than President?
Well, here’s the problem, John. GOPers tried the whole "get somebody electable instead of somebody conservative" schtick with GW Bush. And see what we got: the highest spending increases in my lifetime, the biggest erosion of free speech in my lifetime, a new Great Society program in Medicare Rx, and federalization of education. We almost got a wide-open immigration law and an incompetent "moderate" on the Supreme Court, and only outrage on a massive scale halted those actions.

The the GOP tried again with McCain this year. And got whalloped.

Now contrast that with the two times the GOP actually ran on real limited government platforms, Reagan in the 1980s and the Contract for America in 1994. Both were major electoral successes. Reagan served two terms and got his VP elected to follow him. (If you don’t think that’s impressive, check how far back you have to go to find a multi-term president that got his VP into office through election rather than death or resignation.)

So this idea that you can’t win with limited government positions is hogwash. What voters don’t want from Republicans is Democrat Lite.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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If the hard right wants the GOP to remain the party of the angry white man, well so be it. Liberals want you to do that as well!

This election the GOP became the party of the old, undereducated, rural angry white voter. This group is becoming a smaller and smaller percentage of the electorate.

It became the party of the Southern core of the Confederacy and states like Wyoming where nobody lives. It lost in every major metropolitan area. It lost affluent diverse suburbs in Philadelphia, Charlotte, Raleigh, Fairfax and Northern Virginia, Alberquerque and Las Vegas, Miami and Tampa, Los Angeles, Cleveland and Indianapolis, San Francisco, Seattle, New York and Boston . It even lost Dallas and Houston.

It lost hispanic voters by 2 to l. It lost virtually 100% of the black vote. It lost the "youth" vote 2 to 1. The Democrats won every growing demographic.

There is no longer a GOP Representative in the House from all of New England, including those bastions of Republicanism, New Hampshire and Maine. There are only 3 GOP House members from New York and only one is urban. The increasing Hispanic vote will put Texas and Arizona in play in coming elections. Any party that starts with California, New York and Texas in its column is in a pretty strong position.

TV Cameras had a hard time finding a black face at the GOP convention. Bigots routinely talked to video cameras and wait outside.

Make Pallin the leader of your party! Please!!

The GOP needs to decide what it is FOR......calling the opposition names ain’t gonna cut it as "policy". Being for “family” and “America” ain’t gonna cut it as policy. Calling the Dems “traitors” and marxists, rhetoric not heard in 50 years, revealed the dearth of GOP ideas.

Continuing to emphasize the culture wars will lead to a smaller, waiting for the rapture, lily-white regional Southern party.

Look at the faces of the new America........the demographics are against you. :-)

P. S. Nobody listens to Rush and Hannity except the choir. If you want to reach out to those not listening....or maybe you would rather continue to lose with principle.

:-)
 
Written By: toritto
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I am sure Mort K, John and torito have the best interests of the Republican Party at heart. Taking their advice is surely the right thing to do. Even Al Franken, Randi Rhodes, and the rest of the Air America gang would agree.
 
Written By: jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet
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I used to like Mort (a long, long time ago), but now it’s so obvious to me how far left of center he is. I wish they would take him off Fox News, and soon!
 
Written By: Steve from Wisconsin
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Hey Jim rhodes: So do me a favor - work your heart out to ensure the GOP remains the party of the angry white man - the "working class"

You know, the sainted, uneducated, high tattoo-to-tooth ratio, willfully ignorant, truck-driving, Bud-swilling, Bible-thumping trailer-park trash that will fall for ANYTHING hitched to a picture of baby Jesus. Run St. Sarah of the Snows!

Ignore those diverse affluent suburbs around every major city in America. That’s not the real American anyway. Ignore those hispanics, those black folks, those young college educated "libruls", those urban areas where everyone lives. You keep Wyoming red. Soon you won’t be able to keep Texas and Arizona red.

Enjoy your "principles" and ignore solutions to problems. Keep calling the opposition marxists and traitors.

Yea! That’s the ticket!
 
Written By: toritto
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By gum, Irony isn’t dead ...
 
Written By: Adriane
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Mort who?
 
Written By: Achillea
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The GOP needs to decide what it is FOR......calling the opposition names ain’t gonna cut it as "policy". Being for “family” and “America” ain’t gonna cut it as policy. Calling the Dems “traitors” and marxists, rhetoric not heard in 50 years, revealed the dearth of GOP ideas.

Continuing to emphasize the culture wars will lead to a smaller, waiting for the rapture, lily-white regional Southern party.

Look at the faces of the new America........the demographics are against you. :-)

P. S. Nobody listens to Rush and Hannity except the choir. If you want to reach out to those not listening....or maybe you would rather continue to lose with principle.
Rhetoric not heard in 50 years?

What you cite is dust compared to the past 8 years rhetoric.

How soon they (willfully!) forget

But honestly, gimme a break.

4 years ago, we were reading about "the death of liberalism" as the GOP increased majorities in congress, even knocking off the minority leader’s seat. The talk was of the Dems being a party limited to coastal enclaves.

Yet, small swings of voters in VA, FL and OH turned that on it’s head. Suddenly it’s the GOP that is on the verge of death.

Overreact much?

The numbers crunchers look pretty clear, and it’s this- Oclinton didn’t win because of some massive sure in youth/black/illegal-latino vote. He won because a lot of the GOP base stayed home.

That points to a failure of message- in this campaign, there wasn’t any.

It’s all good.

These things happen in cycles. It will be fun to see your reaction when this is taken away from you. And it will be at some point.

And then we can again discuss the "death of liberalism?"

I’ll stand on principles thank you, because in there ARE the solutions.

Enjoy governing for once. You’ll find it’s harder than standing sniping from the sidelines.....or voting "present"

 
Written By: shark
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"A second step would be for congressional Republicans to actually try to help President-elect Barack Obama succeed in addressing the country’s dire problems - offering better ideas where appropriate and opposing just when necessary, not reflexively."
Compared to what? The Democrats for the last 8 years? Our illustrious vice-president elect was unequivocally in favor of sending more troops to Iraq in 2005. But when Bush proposed the surge at the end of 2006, slow Joe miraculously changed his hair-plug-addled mind and he opposed sending more troops into Iraq. His miraculous change of heart was shared by multiple other Democrats who had spent the previous two years calling for more troops only to change their mind when the surge was being implemented. Then there was poor, befuddled John Kerrey who voted for the $87 million before he voted against it. Then there was the cavalcade of Democrats who told us how dangerous Iraq was until Presdient Bush decided to act on the threat. Then, of course, Iraq had never been a threat.

Of course, Obama campaigned on a promise to withdraw the troops from this "illegal and immoral" war within 16 months, except that he will now likely keep them there through 2011. Democrats said Guantanamo has hurt our image in the world and the innocents held there had been deprived of their due process rights. However, now the Obama supporters at the New York Times have admitted that dangerous terrorists are being held there and Obama can’t just give them all trials as they editorialized almost two years ago.

Democrats have spent the last 8 years twisting logic and facts into pretzels trying to pretend they haven’t contradicted themselves on video tape in order to oppose the Bush administration at every turn. They haven’t cared a whit about the damage they have done to our country as idiots like Dick Durbin have provided fodder for Al Jazeera’s nightly newscasts and undermined our efforts in Iraq. Over the last several years, Kondracke has consistently offered bizarre commentary on Brit Hume’s show. He obviously doesn’t listen to talk radio because Limbaugh and Hannity have been critical of President Bush every time he violated conservative principles.
 
Written By: jt007
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ouch, you republicans got pwned by torrito. you guys are like ancient histary, aren’tcha?

btw, mort, god bless you for putting up with that barney rubble look alike, fred barnes. talk about elitist douche, check out freds glasses.
 
Written By: MBSS
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Gettem, toritto, don’t hold back! send them to me when you’re done.
 
Written By: Stalin
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The right has sought to define "left" and "liberal" as anyone who has come to disagree, at all, with delusional religious extremists, "no new taxes" at any cost, and "yes, we need to spend, without any cognitive engagement or oversight, at all, more on the military than the ret of the planet.
As an ardent Democratic socialist, father of six, married to the same woman for 32 years, farmer, gun-owner and hunter, registered nurse who works with veterans in a psychiatric hospital, in otherwards, a typical thinking American, I can tell you guys in whatever the hell conservatism has mutated into, that Mort is not a liberal. Neither is Obama, or Kerry, or that cuckold Edwards. Bernie Sanders...yes. The right is held hostage by people you couldn’t trust your checkbook, or your four year-old son with.
Tht you guys don’t get it, that you continue to somehow believe that doing more and more of the same dumb-ass nonsense that’s nearly ruined our country, and gotten your party field-dressed and dumped in a meat-locker, does my heart good. Keep it up.
 
Written By: PapaHans
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All these condescending laments about the lack of civility on the Right.

After the last 8 years, they really don’t want us to do to them what they did to the Right. Taking lessons from Uncle Joe and the slightly more contemporary Saul, they are trying to revise the past 8 years by changing rolls and putting what they can down the memory hole.

I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these turds attempting to be condescending are familiar names with a new nom de plume, IP and script.
 
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I’d rather trust my checkbook with someone who respects my rights, Papa Hans, than with someone who thinks my money is his or hers to redistribute. ("Spreading the wealth," as the Annointed One puts it.)

PH’s remark about the four year-old boy I don’t get at all. Do the ranks of pro-freedom people harbor more child molesters than pro-State forces? I know of no data to support that, and I’d be surprised if there were. If I had a son, I certainly wouldn’t entrust him to socialists who’d warp his mind with their mind with their irrational drivel,

Basically Papa Hans, a socialist, would like pro-freedom people to just shut up and go away and leave politics to the State-shtuppers. So what else is new?
 
Written By: Bilwick
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Isn’t it nice that all these statist trolls are coming out of the woodwork with helpful advice to us pro-freedom folk? Advice that basically comes down to, "Stop being so pro-freedom." Obviously they’re just being neighborly! No agenda there!

Seriously, listening to these guys would be like the Hebrews listening to Edward G. Robinson’s Dathan in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. "Where’s yer precious liberty nowwwwwww? Surely you see we have no choice but to submit to Pharoah!"
 
Written By: Bilwick
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In 2006 Limbaugh handed us the Senate with the Michael J. Fox flap. In 2008 he gave us the Obama presidency with "Operation Chaos". Limbaugh rocks!
 
Written By: TomD
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If only Rush had the State’s Iron Fist up his butt the way the "liberal" commentators you like, you’d really like Rush, wouldn’t you, Tom?
 
Written By: Bilwick
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One thing I never fully understood is this constant charge that conservatism is based on religious extremism. I do listen to ’hate’ talk radio when I drive home, and I can report that, whether I agree or disagree, very little is based on religion. Maybe %10 — and that is if you decide that not wanting live birth abortions, for example, must be motivated by Jesus.

Look, even on the gay marriage issue, where I disagree with these radio hosts, their basic reasoning is that the *people* do not want to redefine marriage, and that it is wrong to ask for such a thing by judicial fiat. I have never - not *ever* - not *once* - after listening for many many hours to talk radio, ever heard a single one of them even so much as hint that homosexuality in general or gay marriage in particular should be outlawed because its against Jesus or God’s law.

Even if Rush, Sean, and Laura all think this way, they seemingly do not expect that their audience would necessarily agree. They never, as far as I can tell, base their arguments on Scripture. They do, on occasion, mention that our country is culturally based on Judeo-Christian principles, but the refrain is that the law must hold fidelity to the Constitution, not the Bible.

Liberals who constantly spout about how "right-wing religious extremists" fill talk radio, or decry the "hate" speech there are either 1) just repeating what they’ve heard from their friends, because they don’t listen to talk radio, or 2) dishonest. Notice that I do *not* include the possibility that they *do* listen to talk radio, but are mistaken on this point. It is simply impossible to listen with a fair mind and come to the conclusion that Rush, Sean, or Laura (or for that matter Boortz or Levin) are basing their thoughts on religion or group hatred.

I find that conservatives, by and large, are far more accurate reporters of what libs are saying and thinking, than libs are about conservatives.
 
Written By: dai
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Seriously, listening to these guys would be like the Hebrews listening to Edward G. Robinson’s Dathan in THE TEN COMMANDMENTS. "Where’s yer precious liberty nowwwwwww? Surely you see we have no choice but to submit to Pharoah!"
My compliments.
That’s not one I’d have thought of, but it fits well.
 
Written By: Bithead
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The Republican party has been trashed on, including public Republicans like Rush and Hannity....with W in the White House and making his share of mistakes, with the economic turmoil the country is living in, and not voting Obama—we are all accused of being racist....We need to rebuild the Republican party and the best way to do that is to go back to basics...let’s all get back to the RIGHT where we came from. I hear so much trash on the internet about how the Republican Party needs to move farther left to ever nail down the majority...stupid. We look wishy-washy...which is how McCain looked to a lot of people... Let’s all stand strong and tall in our RIGHT morals and our values and get our act together and let some of the bad thoughts and feelings of W wash away and rally up the Republican party and let’s start winning some of the battles against the liberal left wing illuminati.
 
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