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The real meaning of "hopeychangitude"
Posted by: McQ on Friday, November 28, 2008

Bush was the "decider-in-chief", and it appears the President-elect is the "changer-in-chief".

For all of you out there who projected your ideas of "change" on the "changer-in-chief" forget about it - he'll decide what change means:
“Understand where the vision for change comes from, first and foremost,” [Obama] told reporters at his third press conference in as many days. ”It comes from me. That’s my job, is to provide a vision in terms of where we are going, and to make sure, then, that my team is implementing.”
So there you go - it isn't "change" until Obama decides it's change. So right now, "change" means a Clinton third term. "Change" means keeping the mostly Republican national defense apparatus in place. "Change" means not raising taxes on the rich. "Change" means allowing lobbyists to seek jobs in his administration. "Change" means letting Iraq take its natural course now that we've won and it fits the arbitrary Obama schedule. And finally, "change" may change but it isn't really change until the "changer-in-chief" says it's change.

As for your hope of change (aka, "hopeychangitude")? That just doesn't matter anymore - the election's over.

Got it?
 
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Obviously, he’s been consulting with Erb.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Since the quoted comment was a response to—

"In response to criticism that he is departing from his promise to bring change to Washington because several members of his economic team were Beltway insiders"

it makes sense to me. Obama is saying that although there are people in his administration that may have other ideas, he is the boss and sets the agenda. That certainly sounds reasonable to me. That is, after all, why Obama was elected; his vision of change, not Hillary’s or Rubin’s or anyone elses. Where else should the change come from?
 
Written By: timactual
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I guess BHO seems himself as the new "Decider".

I thought the Dems were going to change that style of leadership.

Apparently it just depends on whose doing the deciding.
 
Written By: jim Rhoads aka vnjagvet
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You might want to look up the word "representative" in Representative Democracy.
 
Written By: TomD
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The "office of the President-Elect" sure did get a trifle testy during that presser. And that’s only after being asked a mildly probingish question. See, when all you get are slow fat pitches for 2 years, you’re gonna get rattled when you start to see the heaters and 12-6 curveballs.

Putin, Iran and AQ have the measure of this lightweight. God help us
 
Written By: shark
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it makes sense to me. Obama is saying that although there are people in his administration that may have other ideas, he is the boss and sets the agenda. That certainly sounds reasonable to me. That is, after all, why Obama was elected; his vision of change, not Hillary’s or Rubin’s or anyone elses. Where else should the change come from?
Mistake 1.

The Washington lifers set their own agenda, as we’ve seen for the last 8 years
 
Written By: shark
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I guess complaints were coming no matter who Obama chose, if he chose true outsiders, he would have been castigated for not having experience in administration, and by choosing people with experience, he is of course being tagged for not having enough changiness.

I do see some changiosity though, in the diversity (or lack) of ideologies in his choices.

We all hope that Obama makes good decisions, and with the group he is surrounding himself with, I think he does have people that can make good arguments for alternative decisions. Obama will ultimately make the decisions, but I think you will find that the real change is that he is going to have good information and try and make the best decisions for the country, and you’ll be surprised at how little he defers to ideology and how much he relies on what he is convinced will yield the best results.

Maybe I am projecting, but I don’t think so, I have read both of his books, and liberal is not what came through, pragmatic, practical, intelligent is what I got from his writings, and really, from the way he ran his campaign as well.

Plus, he’s making the netroots folks angry, so that’s gotta count for something.
The Washington lifers set their own agenda, as we’ve seen for the last 8 years
Yeah, Colin Powell sure set that old foreign policy agenda, didn’t he?

And Paul O’Neill sure had a free reign as Treasury Secretary, except when he made an honest (albeit very conservative) fiscal assessment of the true cost of the Iraq War, and then was disappeared.

Don’t forget when John Ashcroft got cold feet about approving warrantless wiretaps and then wasn’t there anymore, being replaced by a handpicked yes man.

Maybe Bush wasn’t the brains, or maybe he was, but cabinet members certainly did not set the agenda, they either towed the line or got gone.

Funny thing is that people only got fired for disagreeing, never for massive failures. Obama is hiring people precisely for the purpose of disagreement, which leads to debate, which leads to better information, which leads to better decision making.
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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I serve as a blank screen on which people of vastly different political stripes project their own views.
—Barack Obama
No other presidential candidate in the past fifty years has spoken as vaguely and vacuously as Barack Obama. From the hard left to the center-right, Obama supporters thought Obama was on their side. Some were bound to be disappointed.
 
Written By: huxley
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Maybe I am projecting, but I don’t think so, I have read both of his books, and liberal is not what came through, pragmatic, practical, intelligent is what I got from his writings, and really, from the way he ran his campaign as well
Gee......a liberal sees Obamas liberal positions as pragmatic and practical

Shocking really.

NEXT!
I do see some changiosity though, in the diversity (or lack) of ideologies in his choices
Yeah....left, center-left, left-left range of idealogies. SMELL THE DIVERSITY!

NEXT!
Obama is hiring people precisely for the purpose of disagreement, which leads to debate, which leads to better information, which leads to better decision making.
Or leads to backstabbing, advancing agendas, power plays, which leads to......worse decision making.

NEXT!
Yeah, Colin Powell sure set that old foreign policy agenda, didn’t he?
No, but he made sure his boy Armitage damaged the Pres. ability to set that agenda as much as possible.

NEXT!

 
Written By: shark
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Thank you, Shark - you beat me to it.
 
Written By: Valens
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Yeah....left, center-left, left-left range of idealogies. SMELL THE DIVERSITY!
I could tell you that some of his choices are right of center, but you have already decided that’s not so. If you don’t agree these folks are right of center, we’ll just have to disagree... I should add that these are not all official, but it appears to be the direction...

Defense Secretary Robert Gates
Marine Gen. Jim Jones as his national security adviser
Gen. David Petraeus as chief of the U.S. Central Command.

Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner
Larry Summers as hea of the National Economic Council
Paul Volcker as head of a new economic recovery advisory board
Or leads to backstabbing, advancing agendas, power plays, which leads to......worse decision making.
That is just silly argumentation for the sake of argumentation. The converse of your argument is that Obama would make better decisions of he filled the room with people that had exactly the same ideas as he does, and you claim to believe that Obama’s ideas are bad. Which is it?
Gee......a liberal sees Obamas liberal positions as pragmatic and practical
I am open to liberal ideas, and I let you guys label me because I don’t care and can’t stop you, but I hold conservative views. Between Republicans and Democrats, I favor democrats in the recent past primarily because the main difference between the two is that Republicans spend like socialists, so if we are going to spend it, the American people may as well have the stuff.
No, but he made sure his boy Armitage damaged the Pres. ability to set that agenda as much as possible.
Is this about the Plame thing? Seriously, you think that’s what that was about? Vivid imagination.
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Then what WAS the Plame farce about? It certainly seemed to be about some people with their own views on the Pres. Iraq policy taking matters into their own hands.

 
Written By: shark
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Then what WAS the Plame farce about? It certainly seemed to be about some people with their own views on the Pres. Iraq policy taking matters into their own hands.
You need to review the case, Armitage was supporting the adminstration’s meme on the Wilson case.
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Wilson case.
Wilson made up everything. It was proven, he admitted it.

What are you on about? You are entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.
 
Written By: capt joe
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"That is just silly argumentation for the sake of argumentation. The converse of your argument is that Obama would make better decisions of he filled the room with people that had exactly the same ideas as he does, and you claim to believe that Obama’s ideas are bad. Which is it?"

what ARE 0bamas ideas again? I don’t recall hearing any during the campaign...
hope and change don’t count as ideas.
 
Written By: firefirefire
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what ARE 0bamas ideas again? I don’t recall hearing any during the campaign... hope and change don’t count as ideas.
I have never seen people so proud of their ignorance.

I knew McCain’s ideas, I read them at his website, and listened to him in speeches and the debates, and I knew Obama’s ideas the same way.

Obama is not responsible for your ignorance, that’s all you.
Wilson made up everything. It was proven, he admitted it.

What are you on about? You are entitled to your opinions but not your own facts.
Ugh, drive-by fruiting.

That’s a lame misuse of a popular cliche.

There are facts in the Wilson case, as their are facts in every case. The fact I was referring to, which can be confirmed by Armitage, Fitzgerald, and Bob Novak, is that when Richard Armitage told the story about Wilson’s trip and his wife’s potential involvement, he was supporting the administration’s meme about this event. You know, the narrative that says that Wilson was picked by his wife at the CIA. Karl Rove confirmed the story for Novak.

The point is, this episode may have damaged the administration, but there is no way you can argue that Armitage planned to hurt administration by planting the story the administration was trying to plant. It’s just ridiculous.

 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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Obama is nothing more than a slick marketing campaign. He said what people wanted to hear without really saying much. It’s a political artform as old as politics itself - it’s called rhetoric.

For example, politicians often say, "I’m for sensible gun control laws!!"

Well hell, that sounds fantastic! He gets my vote, people think to themselves.

But, what are sensible gun control laws? What does he mean? In truth, he has said NOTHING.

This is what Obama is. A mushy image of change. A haze of hope, but it’s nothing more than people’s imaginations filling in the blanks with THEIR individual expectations.

People so easily fooled are bound to be disappointed with Mr. Barack "Change" Obama.
 
Written By: sdasd
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Cap,so you’re not going to tell me what His ideas are??
guess I’ll have to stay ignant.
 
Written By: firefirefire
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Cap,so you’re not going to tell me what His ideas are??
guess I’ll have to stay ignant.
Probably, but take a look...
Obama is nothing more than a slick marketing campaign. He said what people wanted to hear without really saying much. It’s a political artform as old as politics itself - it’s called rhetoric.
That’s certainly a part of it, Obama campaigning, like politicians do, and trying to appeal to as many people as possible, like politicians do. I have never disputed that Obama is a politician, but he made his positions as clear as McCain did.
This is what Obama is. A mushy image of change. A haze of hope, but it’s nothing more than people’s imaginations filling in the blanks with THEIR individual expectations.
I’m not some guy who heard a speech and got a chill up my leg. Obama was not my first choice. When he won the nomination (or appeared to be winning it), I began to dig a little more deeply, I read both of his books (and John McCain’s as well), and I read the policy stances from both of their websites, as well as the independent On The Issues website.

You can call any politician who is campaigning for President a "blank slate", because they are, all of them. Unless someone is running for re-election, there is simply no way to know exactly how they will behave as President. But we can look to their records, their stated positions, their rhetoric, their intelligence, their education, their experience, and make a decision about their capability to lead.

The fact is that Obama’s plans for his Presidency were clearly stated on his website, and it should be just as clear, that once elected, he would re-evaluate everything, and we’ll have to judge no longer on the basis of his promises, but on the basis of his action, just as with every President that has ever been elected.

As with every President that has been elected in my adult life, I make a decision of which candidate I think with best be able to move America in the right direction, and whether my candidate wins or loses, I wish Godspeed to the winner and hope they don’t screw up. And when they do, I go after them for it, which I’ll do if I perceive Obama to be screwing up.

But this whole "blank slate" thing is a meme, a narrative, a talking point. Sell it somewhere else.




 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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CaptinSarcastic, you truly are being naive. Obama was taken for a test-drive and given a clean bill of health by the special interests in Washington long before you even knew his name.

As much as Obama liked to talk about his campaign being funded by "the American people," the truth is that it was funded mostly by big corporations, many of which I’m sure you despise. Furthermore, small donors gave the same amount to Obama as they give to George W. Bush in 2004.

Proof:
http://www.cfinst.org/pr/prRelease.aspx?ReleaseID=216

The list of top contributors can be found here:
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638

Obama is a servant of many masters. The corporate donors to the Obama camp include many Wall St. firms. It now becomes clear why Obama supports every bailout for the fat cats on Wall St. I can only imagine what other incredible favors he will be doing for them during his presidency.

Do compare Obama’s top contributors to McCain’s. The amount of money received by Obama from corporations puts McCain to shame, and you thought McCain was the corporate cyborg!
 
Written By: sdasd
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Anyone notice in Barak’s acceptance speech...NOW he’s saying he doesn’t think all the damage can be repaired and all of his goals can be achieved in "one year"...or maybe even "in one term"!! HELLO! Can you believe it? He is already setting up the public for when he fails at all of the ridiculous promises and lies he has told...remember, he is a politician people...this is what he does for a living...and the public fell for it! Liberal illuminati at work again....
 
Written By: mnotaro
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CaptinSarcastic, you truly are being naive.
Perhaps.

I think to some extent, anyone that participates in our political system is naive, but I have considered the alternative, just opting out and letting the rest of you choose between evils and casting stones from the sidelines.

I decided to try and participate in the system, knowing full well its inherent flaws, and remaining hopeful that we’ll see something better.

You might be right about Obama, we’ll see. I helped elect him, but it’s up to him to do the job now (or soon).






 
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