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Gun bans and murder rates
Posted by: McQ on Wednesday, December 03, 2008

Conventional wisdom among those who believe it is guns which are responsible for murders is taking a drubbing in the UK:
One teenager has been killed on the streets of Britain every five days this year as the number of fatal stabbings soars, The Daily Telegraph can disclose.

Official figures from each police force in the UK reveal a grim tally of 65 teenagers who have met a violent death since January 1 - almost two-thirds of whom were stabbed to death.
Perhaps it has to do with the culture?

The fact that knives are now reaping the same deadly harvest as did guns should clue someone into the fact that banning knives isn't going to stop these types of murder. But apparently that still hasn't sunk in yet:
In response, the Met launched its largest operation yet targeting knives, called Operation Blunt 2, using airport-style metal detectors, search wands and emergency stop-and-search powers. Since it began in the Spring, 150,000 people have been searched, 5,370 people arrested and 3,242 knives seized.

Tough enforcement measures, a high detection rate and millions of pounds being spent on anti knife crime initiatives had not stopped the rate of killing rising sharply from 17 in 2006, 16 each in 2005 and 2004, and 15 in 2003. But the latest drive has significantly curbed the rate of killings in London in the last three months.
And that last statistic will, unfortunately, most likely convince law enforcement and political leaders that confiscation of the means of murder will somehow thwart the reason, no matter how illogical or irrational, for murder.

I wonder when we'll begin to read about a rise in clubbing deaths.
 
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The inverse results from the gun and now knife control measures are but a small part of the story in the UK.

The most immediate cause of crime there is that they have a revolving door justice system. I recommend Theodore Dalrymple (Anthony Daniels) on the subject. But the door gets to revolve only if the police find time to take an interest in crime in the first place. They spend a lot of energy looking into those who might make insensitive remarks. People having improper thoughts and expressing them are rather more easily dealt with than people who rob and murder.

Judges in the UK are quite lenient with the latter, in any case.

The deeper cause of crime in the UK is the precipitous decline in British culture, to a great extent the result of the welfare state.

Again, Dalrymple offers great insight.

My take on the UK and the rest of Europe, in the most general sense, is that there are no men left there, only two types of women and then a third indeterminate category of those who go to soccer matches, get drunk, and beat each other up.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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I can just see the headlines in another 25 years:

"Rocks Banned in the UK as Stoning Death Rate Rises"
 
Written By: Joel C.
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England, 2018

"Cricket Baned. All Bats To Be Confiscated As Murder Rate Continues To Rise"
 
Written By: Jay
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I can just see the headlines in another 25 years:

"Rocks Banned in the UK as Stoning Death Rate Rises"
Uh no dude/dudette...after Shari’a Law becomes mandatory, EVERY Briton will be expected to carry a rock or two with which to stone the Infidel and the Wicked.
 
Written By: Joe
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The data on guns and crime have often been misused by the left because the did not take into account cultural differences. For instance they site the scandinavian nations and their low crime rate with their lack of gun ownership. Likewise, the Nation of India has remarkably low homicide rates and gun ownership.

But correlation does not equal causation. Those nations would have low murder rate regardless. And one thing is certain, crime rates always go UP as a nation becomes more liberal, and more secular.
 
Written By: kyleN
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It didn’t work in feudal japan, with a military dictatorship for hundreds of years, why should it work anywhere else?
 
Written By: the Brain
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In response, the Met launched its largest operation yet targeting knives, called Operation Blunt 2, using airport-style metal detectors, search wands and emergency stop-and-search powers. Since it began in the Spring, 150,000 people have been searched, 5,370 people arrested and 3,242 knives seized.

Tough enforcement measures, a high detection rate and millions of pounds being spent on anti knife crime initiatives had not stopped the rate of killing rising sharply from 17 in 2006, 16 each in 2005 and 2004, and 15 in 2003. But the latest drive has significantly curbed the rate of killings in London in the last three months.
McQ - And that last statistic will, unfortunately, most likely convince law enforcement and political leaders that confiscation of the means of murder will somehow thwart the reason, no matter how illogical or irrational, for murder.

It will also convince them that police-state tactics - airport-style metal detectors, search wands and emergency stop-and-search powers - will prevent crime. When it doesn’t, they’ll start taking "tougher" measures. Routine stop-and-search? Routine house searches? ("Do you have a permit for that letter opener? No? Then you’ll have to come with us.") More and more CCTV cameras? Universal submission of fingerprint and DNA samples for a national database? Internal passports?

And ain’t it funny how liberal governments, who profess to be all about "the people" and "human rights", go so quickly to totalitarian methods?
 
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I remember stats from the 1980s; Japanese Americans with a homicide rate slightly lower than the actual Japanese rate, white Americans with a rate slightly higher than the overall UK rate, etc.

Somewhat later, I found out that Taiwan had a very high homicide rate, despite total gun bans.

The main problem in the UK is the influx of immigrants with a different culture, and the UK welfare state that does not encourage assimilation.
 
Written By: Don
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"EVERY Briton will be expected to carry a rock or two with which to stone the Infidel and the Wicked."

No. The Brits don’t have a 2nd amendment. Rocks will only be legal for authorized militias. Special temporary permits may be given to construction workers and/or sanitation workers. All other rocks will be kept in a government rockery for issue to suitable individuals as needed, under the guidance and supervision of qualified government agents.



"Likewise, the Nation of India has remarkably low homicide rates and gun ownership"

Do those murder rates take into account the occasional pogrom against the infidel Hindu/Muslim/Christian, or are they classified as justifiable homicide?
 
Written By: timactual
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The Brits don’t have a 2nd amendment.
The English bill of rights includes a right to private arms.
 
Written By: Don
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"The English bill of rights includes a right to private arms."

"That the subjects which are Protestants may have arms for their defence
suitable to their conditions and as allowed by law;"
http://www.constitution.org/eng/eng_bor.txt

Not much of a right if it can be taken away whenever parliament wants to, as it has for almost all guns, and what few that are permissible (for now) are required to be registered. And who decides what is ’suitable to their conditions’?.

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/ACTS/acts1988/ukpga_19880045_en_1#pb1-l1g1
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_(Amendment)_(No._2)_Act_1997

In any case, it is certainly not comparable to the 2nd amendment.
 
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I was surfing the blogs, and an amazing thing happened. I found myself in total agreement with Billy Beck and McPhillips.

It’s about the Plaxico Burress incident.

I can tolerate laws that regulate concealed carry in big cities, maybe require a gun safety course of some such, but I cannot abide the idea that cities can just outright ban concealed carry.

The Supreme Court, who manufactured limitations and guidelines that states MUST follow regarding abortion, under a ruling relying on the 14th Amendment’s due process clause, should do the same for concealed carry. This may be the end game of Heller, but I don’t know why they didn’t just manufacture some hard rules in the Heller.

For one, prohibiting government, state and local, from having a ban on concealed carry, and two, from having prohibitive restrictions on concealed carry laws. if someone can own a gun under federal laws (they are not crazy, terrorists, or convicted violent criminals), they should be able to get a license to carry concealed weapons with a minimum of fuss, cost, or paperwork. Perhaps, as I mentioned, a gun safety course.

The reality is that most of us without concealed carry licenses still make the same decisions, if we are going to into what we perceive is a potentially dangerous situation, we arm ourselves, against the law, and figure we’d rather be alive and ask for forgiveness for breaking the law, than be dead and asking posthumous forgiveness from our families for not breaking the law. (for a cliche, I like "I’d rather be judged by 9 than carried by 6). For me, I don’t ever have a need to carry in civilization, (bit I recognize that some folks do) though I have a legally stored 9mm stowed separate from it’s clip in the back storage compartment of my SUV. When I hit the sticks, it’s a different matter, in back country camping, my .45 is just as illegal, but I wouldn’t be caught dead without it (pun intended), and I doubt I’ll ever be caught dead with it. I may need to annoy a bear with it.

But I have to say it’s a crazy mixed up world when I am agreeing with both of those guys.

 
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