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The Anti-Iraq War Crowd and Obama
Posted by: McQ on Thursday, December 04, 2008

The Washington Times echoes what we've been saying here for a number of weeks - it appears Barack Obama will simply let the Iraq engagement end itself naturally and claim credit for its final success:
"I believe that 16 months is the right time frame," Mr. Obama said after announcing his national security team that includes Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton as Secretary of State and Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates, who has overseen military gains in Iraq under President Bush.

"But as I have said consistently, I will listen to the recommendations of my commanders. And my number one priority is making sure that our troops remain safe in this transition phase and that the Iraqi people are well served by a government that is taking on increased responsibility for its own security."
In other words, "16 months sounds good, unless it will take longer" and then he'll listen to the "recommendations of my commanders" and modify his plan. Sounds like a bit of a fudge factor to me.

As you might imagine, statements like that, as well as his national security picks, have done anything but mollify the anti-Iraq war crowd that chose him over all other candidates because of his promises to end the war immediately.

But then, where are those people going to go - over to the Republicans? Every side must have its "useful idiots" and they served that purpose quite well - their support helped put Obama over the top. Now reality sets in for both sides - Obama, it appears, is going to let Iraq run its natural course since it appears to be a victory. And the anti-Iraq war crowd? Well, they have the profound thanks of the incoming Obama administration for their support and, in theory, Obama agrees with them. In reality, however, even Obama knows that snatching defeat from the jaws of victory would be blamed on him and that's not something he's going to allow to happen to mollify any group that's real usefulness is at an end.

I guess they're just going to have to learn to live with the disappointment.
 
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Wow! Do you mean to tell me that The Clown™ lied to his followers to get them to vote for him?

Shocking! Shocking that anyone would believe that The Clown™ had any moral stands on any issue.

This is what you get when you elect a shadow, an empty suit, an unknown, to the presidency.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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I must say, im glad and think hes making the right decision. Im happy with this, and i think its a good move on his part. I dont care how he got in the position, i only care about his actions. And if he holds to this he deserves praise for choosing correctly, yet if he tries to take any credit from those who deserve it i will be angry. I don’t care if he simply glosses over Bush, but if he tries to take credit from Petraeus, he deserves a roasting.
 
Written By: josh b
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Obama’s commitment to pull troops out of Iraq was never for the benefit of the United States or Iraq. It was for the benefit of getting the Democratic nomination.

Obama preferred defeat in Iraq, as confirmation of his opposition to the war.

Now that the U.S. has essentially won in Iraq (defeating al Qaeda, various insurgent groups and militias, and establishing a functioning and reasonably democratic government), Obama is going to position himself as the beneficiary of victory.

How many more of our troops died in Iraq because the insurgents were being implicitly encouraged to hold on while American defeat was being arranged domestically by Democrats like Obama?

How many of those Democrats — unlike Obama — were in the Senate and voted to approve military action in Iraq?

Not to excuse Obama, however: once the Congress approves and the President acts partisanship should end at the border. Not so this time, as the Left tried to play it like Vietnam.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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Iraq
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Suddenly I guess Bush really wasn’t such an evil tyrant after all- Pres. Lightworker is adpoting all those existing positions.

I’m sure they thank all the Mother Sheehans of the world for their idiotic, lemminglike support.

Their palpable disappointment is almost worth it
 
Written By: shark
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The number one priority in any military commitment should be accomplishing the mission. If the mission isn’t worth accomplishing, the troops should not have been deployed in the first place. If the mission is no longer worth accomplishing, then get them the hell out of harm’s way. Placing the troops’ safety first endangers the mission and, over the longer term, actually places them in greater danger precisely because victory is no longer the primary purpose for them being there.
 
Written By: Diffus
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So Bush gets blamed for starting and failing the war, while Obama gets credit for opposing, finishing and winning the war? Nice to have a brilliant mastermind for Prez instead of a chimp.
 
Written By: TomD
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Their palpable disappointment is almost worth it
Look, all that antiwar fervor was what is called a "mimetic contagion." It was about hating Bush (as symbolic of the USA) in order to rally and regain power. Most of the antiwar Left could care less about who, when, where, why, and how the U.S. fights, just so long as it’s a Leftist in command. Violence by a Leftist, you see, is always righteous, unless it’s used against an enemy perceived as a Leftist, such as North Vietnam.

I used to say that most of the antiwar crowd, once Hillary came to power, would swoon with ecstasy if she ordered the bombing of some foreign land. She could strap herself into the cockpit of an F-16 and strafe peasants along a roadside and those same antiwar people would clutch their hands to their bosoms and say "isn’t she just wonderful."

There are some Qakers and an assortment of lunatics who really are pacifists, but the real Left always trembles with violence and is excited and thrilled when the "revolution" is advanced via murder. That’s why Che is such an icon to them and why terrorism from any source is largely to their liking, and why they try to excuse it by blaming it on the victim, whether it’s Israel or America. That’s also why they thrilled at our casualties in Iraq: every killing of an American advanced their cause at home and allowed them to send another signal to the terrorists to just keep at it.

We’ve become inured to this sort of treacherous behavior because it is wrapped up in a confusion with the values of freedom of speech and political dissent. Just like the terrorists, the Left makes steady use of our own ethical standards to attack us. This happens in foreign policy, in domestic politics, and in American culture.

Given an adequate excuse, the Left would proclaim Barack Obama the greatest military genius since Hannibal if he went to war. Besides, with all the worlds he has already conquered just in this immortal period of being chief executive of the Office of the President-Elect, what is left to him but to take his people to war?

 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
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The number one priority in any military commitment should be accomplishing the mission. If the mission isn’t worth accomplishing, the troops should not have been deployed in the first place. If the mission is no longer worth accomplishing, then get them the hell out of harm’s way. Placing the troops’ safety first endangers the mission and, over the longer term, actually places them in greater danger precisely because victory is no longer the primary purpose for them being there.
And your point is?!?!
 
Written By: SShiell
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finishing and winning the war?
I would be happy to give him that if he was either honest or if he did something bhe isn’t and he did nothing

 
Written By: capt joe
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Obama gets credit for opposing, finishing and winning the war?
The effort was won by the surge, something Obama opposed. To give Obama credit for "finishing" a war that’s already winding down is absurd. But not completely unexpected from Obama’s supporters.
 
Written By: Steverino
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Martin McPhillips - ...the real Left always trembles with violence and is excited and thrilled when the "revolution" is advanced via murder. That’s why Che is such an icon to them and why terrorism from any source is largely to their liking, and why they try to excuse it by blaming it on the victim, whether it’s Israel or America. That’s also why they thrilled at our casualties in Iraq: every killing of an American advanced their cause at home and allowed them to send another signal to the terrorists to just keep at it.

Sickening but true.
 
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They’ll always have the Green Party, and Ralph Nader to move on to...
 
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