There were ways the financail bailout could have gone down with a little more blood and humiliation. And for many, they were masters of their own destiny as much as the Big 3 were. Just like there was no hard and fast law demanding those firms get involved with bad mortgages, there were a lot of little laws and activism that gave groups like ACORN teeth, it made taking those mortgages on seem like a good idea at the time. Same thing with the UAW. So I don’t really see much of a difference between the Big 3 having entangled themselves in Union deals they couldn’t get out of from mortgages that these banks couldn’t get out of.
That aside, Cerberous took a dead body off Daimler’s hands. It was sucked dry financially by Daimler. It would be nice if they could find life, but the reality is that Chrysler’s fate was sealed the moment Daimler took them over. |
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Your only hope at this point is to join the FReeper nuts on the birth certificate conspiracy bandwagon and depose Obama before he destroys America. |
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Your only hope at this point is to join the FReeper nuts on the birth certificate conspiracy bandwagon and depose Obama before he destroys America. Ummm ... what? What does any of the post have to do with Obama? |
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MichaelW, it’s straight from the 90s playbook and will be a standard tactic for however long Obama is president.
Take a Clinton example.
You say, "His VP broke a law that he (the VP) sponsored when a senator thereby aiding and abetting our enemies in Iran."
The response is, "Oh, so do you think that Clinton had Arkansas troopers kill his ex-mistresses too?"
Derailing any meaningful exchange while attempting to get you branded as a wacko.
Get ready for it, it’s ugly annoying and stops any meaningful exchanges from happening.
Not to be confused with their tactic under Bush’s presidency where the more insane the charge the more likely it was to be thrown around and if you didn’t accept it you were a Bush-fellator.
I hate today’s left. |
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I’m against teh Bail-outs in general, but this one in particular. When Chrysler was bought by Cerberus, it was understood that their goal was bankruptcy and rengotiation of the UAW contracts. That was their business plan, in part...so let them continue with their plan, without MY money. |
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I meant to leave an on-topic comment but got sidetracked.
It’s funny but I read Heinlein when I was too young to understand much of what he said. He might have gotten technology wrong, but he got people right. As I grew up, I was happy I had read him because I could see the truth in his statements.
One that really confused me was that the biggest danger to capitalism is a successful capitalist.
We see here that statement in action. They just saw the gov’t throwing billions around and figured they could get in on it too. |
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Does anyone have insight into production capacity vs. private demand for vehicles at this point and for the near future? I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying that our production capacity can produce 4 million more cars per year than there is demand for. He also spoke at length about the number of ’gently used’ cars that are out there. Why save the industry if it is only going to choke on itself again? |
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Meagain, don’t ask that question!?!?! We are on the verge of Depression II, UNLESS you want soup-lines and Hoovervilles, we MUST bail out these strategic and priceless industries...no matter if it bankrupts us all and forces us into penury and soup-lines, living in card board boxes...oh ehy I think I see a flw here. |
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How is merging companies that are to big to fail going to mitigate the need for future bailouts of the bigger company after mergers? |
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SkyWatch, I am listing you as "Not a Team Player." Please refrain from commenting... |
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... UNLESS you want soup-lines and Hoovervilles ... Given the money Congress is planning to throw at the Big 3 we may as well house those poor bastards in Dodge Caravans instead of tents. |
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How about Azteks, Micheal, they came with a tent... |
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Good thing I’m smart and always in demand. It will suck to be some of you though :( |
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"Does anyone have insight into production capacity vs. private demand for vehicles at this point and for the near future?"
I believe I heard something like that said by an economist testifying before Congress the other day. Similar to the housing bubble, low or no interest car loans and other inducements have led to more people buying more new cars than the normal equilibrium number (or something). Add to that the fact that demand will naturally drop due to layoffs, tighter credit, etc. (a recession, you know), and it looks like car sales will be worse than they are now for some time.
Since the auto companies are already losing big bucks, and sales (revenues) look to be even worse, I do not see how this bailout ’bridge loan’ can be anything other than another bridge to nowhere.
"soup-lines and Hoovervilles,"
At last! A national government nutrition program and low-cost housing for all! |
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Good thing I’m smart and always in demand. Wow not compassion there man....and dude, we’re talking about UAW members, you know the guys that voted for hopey-change-tude...you’re saying that they can just go suck it, huh? |
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How about Azteks, Micheal, they came with a tent... Even better.Good thing I’m smart and always in demand. It will suck to be some of you though :( Yeah, so smart you thought this was a post about Barack Obama. As for you being in demand, we have "pedro the illegal alien" around here to do the work you apparently won’t do (i.e. topic maintenance).
Oh well. As I always say, if you’re going to assume the world, you may as well assume it in your favor. |
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Well, I’m glad at least to see that a majority of Americans oppose bailing out the Big Three. It would be highly irresponsible to do so. The leftists in D.C. can protest all they want that it’s not the fault of the union - but, of course, they receive donations from the union, so of course they’ll defend them. It’s high time lawmakers, liberal illuminati included, "let the chips fall where they may" - Detroit got itself in this mess, and I believe they can get themselves out. A few chants of "yes we can" ought to help. |
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My only twinge of regret about them going belly up is that I would love to see the Volt see the light of day. Timing and luck is important in business and GM just doesn’t have either. |
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Your only hope at this point is to join the FReeper nuts on the birth certificate conspiracy bandwagon and depose Obama before he destroys America. The only one who has brought up the birth certificate nonsense here is you. |
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Does anyone have insight into production capacity vs. private demand for vehicles at this point and for the near future? I heard someone on the radio yesterday saying that our production capacity can produce 4 million more cars per year than there is demand for. He also spoke at length about the number of ’gently used’ cars that are out there. Why save the industry if it is only going to choke on itself again? Market demand in October and November choked for all auto makers due to the credit crisis and the screams of doom to sell the financial bailout. Drop in marketplace confusion due to the return to sub-$2 gas.
If it lasts, I’d be more concerned that farms have available credit to keep functioning. |
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First off, I didn’t know anything about Cerberus, so thanks for that. I think that you would have to be crazy to bail these guys out, personally. It’s not gonna bode well for the dems when all the Toyota and Honda workers in the south realize that their money is going to pay for the competition’s retirees, some of whom have been retired longer than they worked. |
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"My only twinge of regret about them going belly up is that I would love to see the Volt see the light of day."
From what I have heard, it will cost about $40,000 and have a range of about 40 miles/charge. It may see the light of day, but it will never see a buyer. |
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From what I have heard, it will cost about $40,000 and have a range of about 40 miles/charge. It may see the light of day, but it will never see a buyer. It has a 40 mile range, then the engine kicks in. For the enviro-wackos who already live close to work to save the planet, it will be a decent fit.
And it is for image. The Viper didn’t directly make Chrysler a big profit, but it was an image thing that paid for itself in other ways. |
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"but it was an image thing that paid for itself in other ways."
All things considered, I hope you will pardon my skepticism. |
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