I compared this to the airlines filing chapter 11 and a source in the industry explained it this way. The supply chains in the auto industry run much deeper than in the airlines.
It’s not just American auto companies that will suffer, even the profitable one’s will suffer. Many of the companies that supply parts are made at the same plant but sold to different manufacturers. They won’t be able to survive the Big 3’s Chapter 11, which will in turn hurt Honda, Toyota and so on.
Not sure I buy into it but the way he explained it certainly isn’t talked about on th news. |
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Exactly what I have been calling for McQ.
Blue,
The problem with that argument, and it has been made in many places, is that it is unlikely they can survive a restructuring any better. Whether through bankruptcy or not, they have to slim down. Bankruptcy just allows it to be done quicker and in a more orderly manner. If they can survive outside of bankruptcy it will be because somehow they managed to do exactly what they would have under bankruptcy. Outside of bankruptcy it is unlikely they will be able to do so, and it will be all the harder because the politicians will be screwing with the process and trying to serve other political interests.
For what it is worth, I think Waggoner knows that, he just cannot say so publicly. |
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The argument (the deep supply chain one) is ridiculous. The supply chain has been selling parts to companies that are losing money. Even fools know that can’t last forever (which is obviously why Congress thinks otherwise). They should have extracted themselves from this mess years ago by diversifying, etc.. I’ll bet the smarter ones did.
Hey, the glass makers in my town are experiencing a downturn, I guess we’d better break more windows so they can stay employed.
I feel sorry for all the people who, through no fault of their own, are going to be affected by this, but no one is owed a living, especially from unproductive enterprise.
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Restructuring would require capital, lots of it, to keep the ball rolling and prevent a cascade on GM’s suppliers. Basically they would still need billions. If the marketshare did suffer from the bankruptcy declaration that capital requirement would go on for a long time.
That capital would only come from the government and the government would still be in their business. |
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The whole "supply chain would suffer / collapse" doesn’t make tremendous sense to me.
1. People will continue to need parts for the cars they have (and, if they own Big Three cars, quite a lot of them!);
2. If one or more of the Big Three disappear, then doesn’t that mean that the other car companies will have that much of a bigger market share which in turn will require them to build more cars which in turn will require them to increase their orders from suppliers?
I’m not saying that seeing GM disappear (which, under bankruptcy, they shouldn’t do) would be a "good" thing: a lot of people are going to suffer. However, I am not convinced that it will be the earth-ending catastrophe that some people (who have obvious ulterior motives) claim. |
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GM could have issued massive layoffs. Saved cash and helped its PR case for a bailout. The problem is that the suppliers are living as close to the vest as the Big 3 are.
In order to be competitive, the auto company buyers have just been merciless to its suppliers. Standard orders were at one time to quote a new part, award the bid, and then talk the bidder down 30%.
The supplier base is quite bitter about this. Once upon a time, the suppliers could expect GM or another auto company to make owners of a manufacturer who got auto company business able to retire as millionaires. Corporate purchasing took an extreme harsh approach and probably over did it to a degree.
Anyway, if GM were to go to sleep for very long across the board to save cash, their suppliers would be in bankruptcy when they woke.
And considering GM’s bankruptcy experience with Delphi, I highly doubt they would be optimistic about seeing any more supplier bankruptcies. |
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