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The Left: Trying desperatedly to change the rules
Posted by: McQ on Sunday, December 21, 2008

Joe Gandelman provides a highly selective "history" to justify the sentence I've emphasized in bold:
Democrat Bill Clinton had his big share of professional Clinton haters (both prominent and not so prominent would say things such as “He’s not MY President…”) and Democrats decried it and some Republicans defended it. Then came Republican George Bush who got his share of haters, then Republicans decried it (the most typical defense was to try and go on the offense and lump those who’d strongly criticize the President on policy with the professional Bush haters as suffering from “Bush derangement syndrome” — a tidy way to try to discredit all critics suggesting they were all unreasonable and not having legitimate grounds for strong criticism) and some Democrats who decried the lack of respect for Clinton defended it.

But here in December 2008 we ‘re seeing a special kind of political hatred — way early in the game.

President Elect Barack Obama has not put his fanny in the Oval Office chair for one second yet, and there is an intensity now among some Republican conservatives to push frantically push hot buttons — a probable haringer of what is likely to come. Amid reports that the economy is not just bad but is on the brink of tanking, their emphasis is not on policy but overt or slightly disguised overt political demonization. Using whatever they feel can stick to rally their audience and/or readership.
I have to wonder where Joe was in the aftermath of the "selected, not elected" 2000 election. To pretend that what we're seeing now is a "special kind of political hatred" is to further pretend what we saw and heard from the left, before George Bush ever stepped into the Oval Office, never happened.

Certainly, part of the anger derived from the loss by Al Gore and the false belief that the Supreme Court had handed victory to George Bush - but to pretend any political hatred now is more than then just doesn't pass the smell test. And, of course, you'd have to be blind, deaf and addled to forget the 8 years which followed that election and the vicious, visceral and unrelenting hatred that was poured on everything 'Bush' during that time.

While his point about Clinton is well taken it further dilutes his claim that what may be happening now is any sort of "special kind" of political hatred. And it's just my opinion, but it has a long way to go before it even approaches the level of malevolence the hatred for George Bush manifested among the left.

Gandelman claims that the attempt to demonize Obama isn't working though:
The good news: the bulk of Americans aren’t buying the idea that at a time when stores are pulling out all stops trying to attract frightened buyers but signs now point to it being the worst in decades, it’s time for not just politics as usual but an expansion of political hatreds based on party or personal background.
It would have been nice to hear the same sorts of appeals to unity and moderation from the left when the nation was involved in two wars. But instead we heard lectures about dissent (and apparently name calling) being the highest form of patriotism.

Apparently that's no longer in play. Now dissent is again "hate".

It's one of the things about the left that's always amazed me. All's fair and nothing is out of bounds when they are out of power, but as soon as they achieve it, it's time to play "let's all get along". And they do so by attempted demonization of their political opposition.

In reality, all of Gandelman's prose is aimed at building the case that right-wing talk radio is the hate-machine and the right should reject both the venue and its message. Not a word about the MSNBC's of the last 8 years and what they managed to air. Nope, this is a lecture for the right:
[T]he GOP and the bulk of Americans need to reject those who try to spread a talk radio political culture that tries to whip up resentments and hatreds at a time of crisis when unity and serious criticisms of policy proposals and policies as they’re put in place is what’s needed. If the new administration’s policies are inadequate or incompenent, they’ll need to be so in specifics.
Resentments and hatreds? Talk about Rick Warren, Joe, and who is whipping up "resentments and hatreds" there.

The fact remains that right-wing radio is able to draw an audience and put huge holes in the left's talking points without the left being able to shout it down. That rankles them badly.

As to the other point made in Gandelman's article, it so happens that even before Obama's "fanny" hits the Oval Office chair, I've found an abundance of policy and issue "specifics" to criticize without the help or research of right-wing radio.

I don't consider that any part of a "special kind of political hatred". Unlike the left of the past 8 years, I don't plan on descending to the sub-basement level of hateful "dissent" they exhibited daily. I won't resort to the level of vitriol and viciousness they did.

But the lecture on what the right should or shouldn't do falls on deaf ears here. After the way the left acted these past 8 years, everything is on the table and as fair for the right as it was for the left.

Or said another way, this isn't the left's ball and they don't get to quit and take it home with them now. They defined the game for 8 years and now they get to live with the result. What's increasingly funny is to watch the left try to frame the game in a new way now that they're in power. They don't want to suffer what they gladly and even gleefully threw at the right during the Bush years.

Heh ... good luck with that. Instead they should expect - every time they try to take the moral high ground - to be reminded of the dismal and hate-filled swamp in which they lived in for 8 long years.
 
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I wouldn’t say I have Obama Derangement Syndrome. I just happen to disagree with virtually his entire philosophy and that of the left. I despise their world outlook.. That tends to make me a bit intolerant of their beliefs and behaviors. I have no desire to "get along" with them. I want to destroy them, not physically, of course, but in the battleground of ideas.
 
Written By: jjmurphy
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Sure right wing talk radio is responsible for spreading hatred. After all isn’t it Rush Limbaugh et al who kill circa one million yet to be born Americans a year.
 
Written By: DavidL
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Whatever.

They pointed to the Clinton years, you point to the Bush years, they’ll point to the Obama years and on and on.

You all suck.
Merry Christmas.

Cheers.
 
Written By: PogueMahone
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You all suck.
*snort*

And you don’t?

Merry Christmas.
 
Written By: McQ
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Harrrumph!

Gandelman’s a moderate, not a lefty. It says so right there on the masthead of his blog.

Next thing you’ll be telling us is that the DPRK is neither democratic, for the people, or a republic.
 
Written By: Terry
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Such are the drawbacks of the "permanent campaign"
 
Written By: Neo
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Not a huge reader of TMV, but Gandelman usually writes far better than this. Grammar, syntax and sense seem to have gone astray. He points to a poll saying that a majority is "down on" Obama, when the quoted section of the poll indicates the exact opposite. Just reread the blockquoted sections; do they make a whole lot of sense? Try the whole post.

In the spirit of the season, I will suggest that young Joe was a touch "over-tired" when he posted this.

Most other times I would suggest that he was lit like a Roman candle.


 
Written By: Uncle Pinky
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Dear Joe Gandleman (and Cap Sarcastic, and the whole rest of the sorry lot):

Enjoy seeing your guy get the treatment the next 4 years.

Stop whining so early in.

 
Written By: shark
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Joe Gandelman is a moderate in the same universe where the media isn’t liberal. If that universe has ever touched reality no one knows about it.

And jjmurphy, the Left doesn’t care about the battleground of ideas; they just elected a man whose mentor thought killing 25 million Americans of the wrong political persuasion was "acceptable". No one ever dealt with this level of evil by talking it to death, and we won’t be the first.
 
Written By: SDN
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Let us also remember that lunatics and morons who hated Bush stood in the crowd at his inaugurations and stuck up their middle fingers at him. Imagine if anyone did that to The Clown™!

I personally don’t "hate" Obama - I just can’t stand what he is - a neophyte and naive little man who used his race to deflect questions and rise above everything, a neo-Marxist who made money through (alleged) hard work who now deigns to try to tax those who work hard because he wants to "share the wealth," among his other crackpot schemes, namely opening a "Iran Outreach Office" (to outreach to what? A loon? A nutjob who wants to start WWIII? How do you "outreach" to that?), or possibly coddling al Qaeda or Boss Hugo in Venezuela or the Castro Boys in Cuba. A man who rode the coattails of "the Iraq war was a mistake" (which was akin to p!ssing on the graves of every man and woman who gave their lives there - not that Obama would know anything about sacrificing for this country) to power, and now realizes that his "they’ll come out in 16 months" statement was either a boldfaced lie or one grounded in crass and gross ignorance. A man who tells one crowd one thing and another crowd the complete opposite, yet gets angry when called to task about the inconsistency. A man who gets sheer slavishness from the disgusting liberal media, but if that same media bothers to ask him a question he doesn’t like, he "cautions" them to back off and "not waste their time" asking it because he won’t answer. (Remember the ChiTrib reporter just this week who was berated by The Clown™ because he dared ask why Obama’s Chicago Mafia was cavorting with criminals like Gov. Rod "M-Fer" Blagojevich).

No, I personally think Obama and his plans are just too cute by half, and hope people awake to them. I believe that his naivete and lack of experience will soon begin to show. The average President loses anywhere from 30-50 seats in his first midterm election, which is 2010. If history is any bet, the GOP will take control in January 2011 and Obama will well be on his way to the last two years of his presidency. Then again, America could remain stupid and keep this clever liar around for eight years instead of four.

 
Written By: James Marsden
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You all suck.
Merry Christmas
Do you hear that sound? Do you feel that feeling on your backside? It is your IQ being flushed down the toilet.

Have a Merry Effing Christmas. With any luck, by this time next year Obama will have exacerbated the recession with his "The Unions Get Everything" Trillion Dollar Blowout of the US Budget that will do nothing to aid the economy, and he will be as popular as the clap.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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And jjmurphy, the Left doesn’t care about the battleground of ideas;
SDN - You have a good point there. Trying to reason with unreasonable people may be a fools’s errand.
 
Written By: jjmurphy
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Hey, Gandelman, your party won the whole shebang. Your party does not need to cooperate with the GOP and probably will not do so. Catastrophic success, deal with it.

I really don’t think the left understand how a lot on the right feel now, especially about the media coverage that Obama got/gets. Its as if they think they can call their neighbors racist, ignorant, clingers, and then the next day borrow a cup of sugar.
 
Written By: Harun
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Remember when pretzels became an icon at anti-war rallies because Dubya had nearly choked on one? That was a just regular hatred and not the "special" kind reserved for Obama.

Four years of this. Great.
 
Written By: Eric Lindholm
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Explanation of cricket (short version)*.

Drink from beer, raise bleary eyes to gaze at the field, nudge friend "Who is batting?" Friend mutters a reply. Runs are scored, we groan.

Drink from beer, chat a bit, pass time.

My friend asks me "Who is batting?". I reply. Runs are scored, we cheer.

* also applies to politics, alcohol consumption may vary.
 
Written By: unaha-closp
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And, of course, you’d have to be blind, deaf and addled to forget the 8 years which followed that election and the vicious, visceral and unrelenting hatred that was poured on everything ’Bush’ during that time.
Wow, seems someone forgot about Bush’s 92% approval rating that held until HE made BAD decisions.

But hey, pots, kettles, whatever.

It’s not like you guys are going to give Obama a 92% approval until he makes monumental mistakes.

Have at him.
Enjoy seeing your guy get the treatment the next 4 years.
Early onset of ODS will of course lead to an early diagnosis.

Medicate
 
Written By: CaptinSarcastic
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They pointed to the Clinton years, you point to the Bush years
True, but they aren’t the same. Clinton was an actual criminal. You know, like the $800,000 bribe from the Loral Space Corporation, the millions of dollars in campaign contributions from James Riady and the Red Chinese Army that just coincidentally coincided with his creation of the national monument in Utah over the low sulphur coal deposit and his failure to do anything about Chinese espionage at Los Alamos until it was leaked to the press a year after he and Berger had been notified. How about Louis Freeh’s description of Clinton blocking the Khobar Towers investigation in return for a donation to his presidential library or his bombing of an aspirin factory on the day Monica Lewinsky went back to testify before the grand jury? How about his failure to do anything about terrorism? How about the fact that he started bombing Iraq on the morning that the impeachment vote was set to begin, justified it by claiming that the bombing needed to be done by the beginning of Ramadan and then proceeded to bomb right in to Ramadan and stopped, coincidentally, 45 minutes after the impeachment vote was completed a day later? How about the fact that he’s made over $100,000,000 since he left office for, amongst other things, lobbying for Dubai Ports International. Clinton really is a scumbag. He really did lie. He really did use military action to distract from his domestic political problems. However, I don’t care enough about him to hate him.

The left hates George Bush because they hate him. They criticize him for policy decisions and deficits that the majority of congressional Democrats voted for (e.g. the Iraq war authorization, No Child Left Behind, the prescription drug benefit, etc. etc). Conservatives have never had a problem with the left opposing Bush on policy grounds. In fact lots of conservatives here and elsewhere disagreed with him about McCain Feingold, amnesty for illegals, increased entitlement spending, deficits, Harriet Miers for the Supreme Court, the financial bailout, the auto bailout, etc. That isn’t what this post is about. Jonathan Chait admitted that he and his friends hate George Bush and get physically ill at the sound of his voice. Democrats hated Bush before he even became president. They started the ball rolling in September 2000, at the Gore/Lieberman fundraiser at Radio City Music Hall where they repeatedly said he was stupid, Julia Roberts said Republican was in the dictionary between reptile and repugnant, etc. etc. They blamed him for the butterfly ballot in Palm Beach County despite the fact that a Democrat county official designed it. They falsely claimed his campaign had prevented blacks from voting in Florida even though the Justice Dept’s Civil Rights Division found that it didn’t happen. We all know the litany. There isn’t any comparison between the respective disdain for Clinton and Bush. The right had real reasons to dislike Clinton. You know, things that actually happened as opposed to things that you imagine.

McQ is right about conservative disdain for Obama, however. It will never devolve into the fantasy realm of BDS. Conservatives haven’t come close to the left’s Bush-hatred that started before the election in 2000. The left’s vitriol and dishonesty over the last eight years has set an incredibly low standard that would be difficult to meet even if we tried. That being said, Democrats have told os that dissent is patriotic for the last eight years. There’s nothing wrong with being patriotic.
 
Written By: jt007
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I think Obama has received a lot of support already from the right, or at least not as much vitriol as he would have received had he installed nutroots appointees. His picks have been relatively moderate.

Has been attacked at any level close to how the libs attacked Palin? NO.

He has also had a lot of support vis a vis the birth certificate conspiracies.




 
Written By: Harun
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Wow, seems someone forgot about Bush’s 92% approval rating that held until HE made BAD decisions.
Uh uh, buddy. During the 2000 election, the NAACP claimed that Bush being elected would be like dragging James Byrd through the streets of Texas all over again. That’s one example of the intense, unrelenting, deranged Bush hatred that started before he was elected. *Nothing* like that has ever been said by a mainstream conservative organization about Bammy during this election, nor about Clinton during his first election.
It’s one of the things about the left that’s always amazed me. All’s fair and nothing is out of bounds when they are out of power, but as soon as they achieve it, it’s time to play "let’s all get along". And they do so by attempted demonization of their political opposition.
Why does that still amaze you? The left believes that words make truth, not the other way around, and this has been the case for at least the last 50 years, arguably much further back. To the extent that they don’t lie, it’s only to maintain a veneer of credibility. And, as we saw with the media going all out for Obama, even that credibility can be abandoned to amass power.
 
Written By: ben
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It’s not like this should surprise anybody. We all predicted that "dissent" would stop being "patriotic" as soon as the dems (spit) got into power. Now, it will be a thoughtcrime to criticize TAO and the democrat (spit) majority because "we need to all come together and unite as Americans for hope and change that we can all have the audacity to believe in" or whatever touchy-hippy-feel-good rot the left is peddling.

Oh, and CaptinSarcastic, I didn’t see the left criticizing Bush’s decisions. What I saw was sheer, raw hatred of the man himself. You know: like snuff films about his assassination? Mock impeachment hearings? That sort of thing. When the GOP Senate leader publicly refers to TAO as "a loser", you can get back to me.
 
Written By: docjim505
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There’s a complete lack of specifics in his editorial. Just some vague talk about "an intensity now among some Republican conservatives to push frantically push hot buttons."

What is he talking about?
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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Apparently, even Barney "financial meltdown" Frank is picking on Obama.

I guess we should follow his example.
 
Written By: Neo
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All the Clinton criticism and hatred put together wouldn’t fill a thimbleful in the ocean of Bush hatred.

The sad thing is that some of that Bush hatred was deserved. The big mistake we, who are not on the left, made was to waste several years defending him. Nevertheless, as JT007 points out, his biggest blunders were all bipartisan. In fact it was the things he did that the Left liked which caused so much trouble. Like pushing for home ownership for people who should have stayed renters.

Now Obama will have his share of troubles. He can coast for about eighteen months by blaming everything on Bush, but after that it’s put up or shut up.

I think we will have an economic recovery, but it will be short lived because these clowns are doing everything exactly wrong when it comes to energy policy. That will be their big undoing.
 
Written By: kyleN
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I really don’t think the left understand how a lot on the right feel now, especially about the media coverage that Obama got/gets. Its as if they think they can call their neighbors racist, ignorant, clingers, and then the next day borrow a cup of sugar.
Yup. As soon as Lightworker won, it was all "aww shucks, we’re in this together, U-N-I-T-Y!"

No thanks.

I don’t go for this "he’s not my President" stuff, but I’m not unified with them.

 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
Wow, seems someone forgot about Bush’s 92% approval rating that held until HE made BAD decisions.
Yes,6+ years of "BUSH LIED" from Congressional Dems that absolutely KNEW different didn’t have anything to do with it, right?

6+ years of "BUSH IS DESTROYING THE CONSTITUTION" with FISA, GITMO etc. - positions which the congress and The Office of the President-Elect" not only didn’t reverse when they could, but they fricking APPROVED THEMSELVES didn’t have anything to do with it, right?

Yeah, it was BUSH who made bad decisions. Gotcha. Some of us think that a party deliberately lying to the public about the war and the President to recapture power is a bad decision. Like when it comes to palling around with terrorists, the Dems decided that those weren’t such bad decisions I suppose.

Don’t act holier than thou pal. You cannot deny word one of that charge.
Early onset of ODS will of course lead to an early diagnosis.
Doesn’t apply. I don’t care about Lightworker enough to hate him.

I simply believe in tit-for-tat.

 
Written By: shark
URL: http://
During the 2000 election, the NAACP claimed that Bush being elected would be like dragging James Byrd through the streets of Texas all over again. That’s one example of the intense, unrelenting, deranged Bush hatred that started before he was elected. *Nothing* like that has ever been said by a mainstream conservative organization about Bammy during this election, nor about Clinton during his first election.
Silly little things like facts shouldn’t stand in the way of us all coming-together and singing Kumbaya now that the Left has their man in.
 
Written By: Titus Quinn
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Looks like the extreme unrelenting hatred for Hitlery by the right went down the memory hole.

Which is why I just about died laughing to see you guys practically cheering her appointment :-).
 
Written By: TomD
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Which is why I just about died laughing to see you guys practically cheering her appointment :-).
Why do you think that a lot of people wanted her as the candidate. Because they liked her? hahahahahaha

It was because they knew she would lose.
 
Written By: capt joe
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God forbid the tax-serfs feel any animus toward their new overlords.
 
Written By: Bilwick
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See, you’re either a complete moron or lying through your teeth if you think the level of hatred toward Bush wasn’t any greater than the level of hatred for Clinton. The seething hatred for Bush started from the beginning. That 92% number? That was for the country, Bush was just the president. That lasted for a week.

They hate Bush because he turned his back on them. He could have been a blue blood North Eastener, but no he chose to be the most vile of all things...a Texan. He’s also NOT very conservative. He’s more like them, in terms of using the power of the state, than they will ever admit. It soils them to even think about it.
 
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