Hamas attacks, Israel counter-attacks Posted by: McQ
on Sunday, December 28, 2008
Or at least that's the way it seems to me. Hamas has been lobbing rockets into Israel for quite some time in defiance of a supposed cease fire. Israel finally responds targeting Hamas sites that it has identified by intelligence work for months. Even Hamas, who routinely places its weaponry in civilian areas and has injured and killed its own people with "friendly fire", admits that about 80% of those killed in the strike were Hamas fighters or officials. Unfortunately, non-combatants have been killed - but essentially the strikes have been in reaction to continued attacks from Hamas in Gaza.
Even Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas understands what happened, saying today in Cairo:
"We spoke to them and told them 'Please, we ask you not to end the cease-fire. Let it continue,'" Abbas said during a joint press conference with Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Aboul Gheit. "We want to protect the Gaza Strip. We don't want it to be destroyed."
Abbas called on Hamas to renew the cease-fire with Israel to avoid further bloodshed in Gaza.
Of course that's not how some see it - Firedoglake, unsurprisingly, thinks lobbing rockets into another country is a freebie and reacting to it makes the counter attacker the bad guy. And naturally, also on the bad guy list is the guy in the White House:
Meanwhile the White House issued a statement with their usual diplomatic flair:
Gordon D. Johndroe, a White House spokesman, said that Hamas, the group that controls Gaza, was responsible for the outbreak of violence and called its rocket attacks ”completely unacceptable. These people are nothing but thugs,” he said. “Israel is going to defend its people against terrorists like Hamas.”
And, according to Ynet News:
Speaker of the US House of Representatives Nancy Pelosi issued a statement concerning the Israeli operation in Gaza in which she wrote that "When Israel is attacked, the United States must continue to stand strongly with its friend and democratic ally."
Sounds like Speaker Pelosi needs to hear from us - (202) 225-0100.
For once, Pelosi needs to hear from me that we agree.
What has FDL's panties in a wad is this:
Israel’s plans to not simply stage a quick, narrow strike but to “change the rules” follows what Ha’aretz today reported was a six month preparation period:
Long-term preparation, careful gathering of information, secret discussions, operational deception and the misleading of the public - all these stood behind the Israel Defense Forces "Cast Lead" operation against Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip, which began Saturday morning.
The disinformation effort, according to defense officials, took Hamas by surprise and served to significantly increase the number of its casualties in the strike.
Sources in the defense establishment said Defense Minister Ehud Barak instructed the Israel Defense Forces to prepare for the operation over six months ago, even as Israel was beginning to negotiate a ceasefire agreement with Hamas.
The plan of action that was implemented in Operation Cast Lead remained only a blueprint until a month ago, when tensions soared after the IDF carried out an incursion into Gaza during the ceasefire to take out a tunnel which the army said was intended to facilitate an attack by Palestinian militants on IDF troops.
On November 19, following dozens of Qassam rockets and mortar rounds which exploded on Israeli soil, the plan was brought for Barak's final approval. Last Thursday, on December 18, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and the defense minister met at IDF headquarters in central Tel Aviv to approve the operation.
However, they decided to put the mission on hold to see whether Hamas would hold its fire after the expiration of the ceasefire. They therefore put off bringing the plan for the cabinet's approval, but they did inform Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni of the developments.
Military contingency planning, as I've pointed out any number of times, is a function of any good military and a requirement when you face an enemy like Hamas who refuses to observe already negotiated cease-fires. However, painting Israel as the aggressor is FDL and much of the left's only goal.
Military contingency planning, as I’ve pointed out any number of times, is a function of any good military and a requirement when you face an enemy like Hamas who refuses to observe already negotiated cease-fires. However, painting Israel as the aggressor is FDL and much of the left’s only goal.
The second the 1st rocket fell on Israel soil, it gave them the right to institute a cull against the animals responsible.
Oh, yes, they do. They take it seriously as a weapon to accomplish their own aims.
They believe in the "Bill Ayers Defense" for terrorists. As long as they agree with the terrorists’ aims, then the terrorism is justified, and can in fact be redefined (as Ayers himself did in his NYT interview) to be no longer terrorism.
Israel should agree to a new system of proportional response. They should design a basic rocket system that would randomly strike in Gaza without any guidance system. Randomly hit GPS coordinates within Gaza. This could be a fully automated system...Then they can have the critics turn the key on this more humanitarian weapon.
It wasn’t until after 9-11 that I really began to dig in to the Israel-Palestine conflict. I was astonished at how morally one-sided it was.
In all my years on the left I had assumed that both sides were to blame on the basis of complex history going back for hundreds, even thousands of years, that would be impossible to unravel. Naturally I tended to side with the dark-skinned revolutionaries who opposed the US government as well as Israel.
It was reading a quote up at the top of the Hamas Charter that the light bulb went off:
"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
I couldn’t believe it was stated so clearly, so unmistakeably. How can there be a "peace process" between Israel and a people who are religiously dedicated to Israel’s obliteration? Yet somehow the left and most of the world go on demanding that Israel make the peace and blaming Israel for any conflict.
I know that I’m preaching to the choir here at Q&O, but it still baffles me.
I know I am going to be condemned for what is coming, but this is how I feel:
The Palestinians have had chance, after chance, after chance, after chance, to have their own state, their own country. Yet each time they refused. Why? Because they want it all. They want all of Israel to be theirs. And if they can’t have that, they want nothing. They want to remain stateless disgusting refugees who become terrorists because they are pathetic. And, believe me, the rest of the Arab world treats their animals better. (In every country where they live, Palestinians are thought of not as second-class citizens, but as 12th-class citizens who are spat upon. I wounder why?)
So, here is my controversial statement:
The Clown™ takes office in 3 weeks. He won’t, but he should tell the Palestinians the following: Here is the border of your state. Say yes, and it is yours - but you cannot claim any more land in Israel. Take it, and we will support you so that you have a home. But IF you say no - if you wish to continue your senseless and unwinnable war against Israel, we will allow Israel to punish you in ways you have never dreamt of.
The Palestinians should be given that one chance. Draw the borders based on what Bill Clinton offered Arafat in 2000. If the Pallies say no, I hope that the Israelis go in with tanks and make mulch of the whole race. Shut off the cameras - like they do in other countries - and let the bloodletting begin. Because that war will not end until the Palestinians want it to end. Golda Meir said that the Arabs will not stop fighting Israel "until they love their children more than they hate us." The Palestinians don’t love their children - heck, they don’t even love themselves. Any people that sends their sons and daughters to blow themselves up and then celebrates their deaths are a sick race indeed. Sort of like the Nazis but without tanks.
So, let’s offer that deal. Wanna bet that the Palestinians, when asked to vote on it, say no? I would take that bet.
Israel should just take out a city block for every rocket launched at them.
Better one - Israeli citizens, every time a rocket is launched at them, should launch one back. Except they should load every rocket with bombs and nails and the like. So when Palestinians see rockets raining down on them from average Israelis rather than the IDF, they might take notice.
Why, I have to ask why? Why can’t someone say, hey enough is enough. Make it all one and that would be great for the world to do. God is watching and no one seems to notice. Kids, you kill the kids or by not having peace you help them kill your kids. Who’s wrong, who’s right, only God will be the judge. People of the world, PLEASE let the killing stop. I am a part of this world and I see all the killing, sins, robbing, drinking, kids hurting their own, it is then that i have to ask myself do I really want to be a part of the human race, why? In the name of God, everything you seem to want is to have to own, can’t anyone see the sad doing? PLEASE let the children feel they can trust in the adults. and from what you are doing and helping to kill the kids and people who want peace, but NO YOU PEOPLE WANT MONEY AND WHAT EVER, AND YOU ARE ONLY THINKING OF YOUR SELFS. YOU USE FOR THE PEOPLE TO MAKE IT RIGHT AND THAT IS A JOKE LET IT END BECAUSE GOD IS GOING TO MAKE ALL OF YOU WHO HAVE KILLED PAY MAY EVEN BE YOUR LOVED ONES AND CHILDREN that will suffer through the sins of the parents.AND I PROMISS WE ARE A PART OF WHAT IS AND WHEN YOU HURT OTHERS YOU HURT GOD HAVE WE LEARNED NOTHING IN THIS LIFE? MAY GOD ONCE AN FOR ALL STOP THE KILLING THROUGH YOU WHO HAVE KILLED. LIFE IS SHORT AND WHAT ARE DOING TO THE LIFE GOD GAVE YOU AND OTHERS IS UNREAL. DON’T YOU FEEL BAD TO KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE DONE? LIFE SHOULD BE SHARING AND GIVING, PLEASE, HEAR THE TEARS FEEL THEIR FEARS. THE CHILDREN HAVE LOST THEIR LIFE AND LIVE IN FEAR,AND IT’S BECAUSE YOU WANT TO OWN, BUT I SAY WHO GIVES A FIDDLEY LET IT BE ONE, BUT ARE WE ALL TO DUMB TO UNDERSTAND. STOP THE KILLING AND RMEMBER NOTHING BUT LOVE AND PEACE ARE WORTH WORKING FOR. PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT ALL SHOULD SHARE WITH THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN SO MUCH NEED. LET THE MONEY BE ONE, LET EVERYONE WHO IS ABLE HELP, AND NO MORE DIFFERANCES IN ALL OUR LIFES. PLEASE,HEAR WHAT I AM SAYING. NO I DON’T HAVE TO WORRY AND NO ONE ELSE WOULD IF THINGS COULD BE SHARED. THINK OF THE CRIMES THAT WOLD END, THE PEACE THAT THE WORLD COULD HAVE. I KNOW THIS IS NOT WHAT GOD WANTS. YES THE USA SHOULD START BY TALKS WITH THE LEADERS. LETS LIVE BY A RULE OF THE WORLD THAT IS THE SAME. EQUAL PAY, WORK, HOUSING, CLOTHES, CARS, FURNITIRE, NO MORE WOULD INVESTING BE ONE WAY, NO MORE LIES, LETS TRY, PLEASE FOR ALL HUMAN KIND, LETS BECOME ONE. LANDS THAT ARE NOT WORTH LIVING ON COULD BE MADE INTO SOMETHING OF GOOD. PLEASE,HEAR ME BEFORE YOU KILL THE HUMAN RACE. DO WE NEED THE THINGS WE DIE AND KILL OUR KIDS AND LOVED ONES FOR. THIS IS LIKE A GANG WAR, ENOUGH I SAY. WE CAN SHOW WE HAVE COME FURTHER THEN THIS. WE ARE ALL THE SAME, BLACK, WHITE, EVERY HUMAN HURTS AND BLEEDS SO PLEASE LETS START THE WAVE OF UNITING FOR PEACE.PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!