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Always Root for the Underdog?
Posted by: Bryan Pick on Thursday, January 01, 2009

Ezra Klein on intentionality versus results:
Chait makes a common claim, which is that all analysis of the Israel/Palestinian conflict has to begin from a place of intentionality. "Hamas has a problem with Israel because Hamas believes Israel has no right to exist," he writes. "Israel has a problem with Hamas because Hamas believes Israel has no right to exist. If Hamas lay down all its weapons, Israel would lift its blockade. If Israel lay down all its weapons, Hamas would kill as many Israelis as it could."

There's truth to this. But it can also obscure more than it can reveal. One important disconnect in Israel/Palestine debate is that Israel's supporters tend to focus on what the Palestinians want while Palestine's supporters tend to focus on what the Israelis do. Israel's defenders, for instance, make a lot of Hamas's willingness to kill large numbers of civilians. Palestine's defenders make a lot of the fact that Israel actually kills large numbers of Palestinian civilians.
That's not a terribly good case for Hamas, though. "Support Hamas: More Malicious, but Less Efficient"?

By that logic, if we supported Palestinians and they became more effective, they would become less worthy of support.

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Edit: I just remembered that McQ made a similar point several days ago, responding to another post by Klein. Mine's more succinct, though. ;-)
 
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Well, Palis do things too; they launch missles and they send doped up kids with bomb belts into Israli markets.
 
Written By: Don
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Well, Klein’s a bit of a clown, isn’t he? Because the stuff Hamas does is the only reason the conflict actually exists.

That seems to me to be a significant point. If Klein were even remotely honest, he’d agree.

Instead, he believes that regardless of who starts a war, the guy who wins it is evil and to blame for the existence of the war because of that fact alone. Of course, that absolute and eternal universally applicable principal applies only in certain cases. Guess which?!

 
Written By: Midget Launcher
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Ezra is on to the root of all of the leftist/Islamist solidarity movement:

Modern leftist philosophy is that of afflicting the comfortable and comforting the afflicted; material absolutism and moral relativism; egalitarianism over liberty. Jews are rich white people and Palestinians are poor brown people. Thats all you need to know. Hamas right, Israel wrong.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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Hamas’s willingness to kill large numbers of civilians. Palestine’s defenders make a lot of the fact that Israel actually kills large numbers of Palestinian civilians
The fact that "Palestine" defenders equate Hamas run of the mill attacks on civilians with Israel’s unfortunate collateral damage which results from provoked military attacks on military targets tells me a lot more about their moral degeneracy.

Don’t start none, won’t be none
 
Written By: shark
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What’s the difference between a Hamas fighter and a civilian ?

The latter is the former without his weapon.
 
Written By: Neo
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What’s the difference between a Hamas fighter and a civilian ?
There are no dead Hamas fighters. All the dead are "civilians".

Likewise with Hezbollah, Taliban and AQ.
 
Written By: newshutz
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I’ve long since given up trying to figure out why anyone takes Klein seriously, save that he has a bigger megaphone for spreading his insecurities than most. Personally, other than St. Andrew the Incontinent, and perhaps Erb, I’ve yet t see anyone so willingly disconnected from reality... in this case, the reality that shark puts forward.

 
Written By: Bithead
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Israel’s defenders, for instance, make a lot of Hamas’s willingness to kill large numbers of civilians. Palestine’s defenders make a lot of the fact that Israel actually kills large numbers of Palestinian civilians
Israel’s defenders should make a lot of the fact that when they end up killing civilians, it is by accident as they target members of Hamas, and Hamas kills civilians on purpose.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Plus Hamas’s policy of storing weapons in mosques and other civilian areas is designed to ensure civilian deaths if Israel attacks.

Can Erza Klein say "human shield?" I knew he couldn’t.
 
Written By: huxley
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Klein’s brain at a new low, which I didn’t think possible. He’s a master at vapid bullsh*t.

 
Written By: Grimshaw
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Why does do the lefties love framing in terms of intent? Intent is secondary, goal is first. The goal of Hamas has been stated byt them numerous times, incluing in written form - thir very charter! Their actions, of course, speak for themselves.
 
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