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Plan 9 from AGW
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, January 06, 2009

Okay, they call it "plan B", but you get the point. This is some seriously desperate, and goofy, stuff. Written by Steve Connor, the "Science Editor" and Chris Green for The Independent, it takes you deep into the warping effect AGW has had on "science".
An emergency "Plan B" using the latest technology is needed to save the world from dangerous climate change, according to a poll of leading scientists carried out by The Independent. The collective international failure to curb the growing emissions of carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere has meant that an alternative to merely curbing emissions may become necessary.

The plan would involve highly controversial proposals to lower global temperatures artificially through daringly ambitious schemes that either reduce sunlight levels by man-made means or take CO2 out of the air. This "geoengineering" approach – including schemes such as fertilising the oceans with iron to stimulate algal blooms – would have been dismissed as a distraction a few years ago but is now being seen by the majority of scientists we surveyed as a viable emergency backup plan that could save the planet from the worst effects of climate change, at least until deep cuts are made in CO2 emissions.
Of course The Independent never identifies the "leading scientists" it surveyed, although it does admit to it being a mere 80 later on in the article.

This type of alarmism relies on a sort of corollary of the Rahm Emanuel principle that one should never let a good crisis go to waste but always use it to implement things which would be impossible under normal circumstances. The AGW corollary is if you don't have a real crisis, manufacture one. And that's precisely what the Science editor and the 80 "leading scientists" attempt here.

So what is Plan B? Well, actually its Plan B1, B2, B3, B4 and, my personal favorite, B5.

Plan B1:

Injecting the air with particles to reflect sunlight. Also known as the "artificial volcano plan". Of course they have no idea how many of the artificial sulfate particles they would have to inject into the stratosphere or how long they'd have to do it, but they're pretty sure that it would eventually result in acid rain and have adverse consequences for agriculture.

Okay. On to Plan B2:

Creating low clouds over the oceans. The plan is to pump water vapor into the atmosphere to create clouds over the ocean and thereby cool the earth. This is the "we had to destroy the village to save the village" plan. You see, water vapor accounts for about 95% of Earth's greenhouse effect. So the cure is to put more of what supposedly ails us into the atmosphere to stop the warming?

Hmmm. Uh, Plan B3:

Fertilising the sea with iron filings. Or among skeptics, the "blooming idiot" plan. The idea is to salt the sea with iron filings to encourage photoplankton to grow and it would, in turn, absorb CO2. Then they're supposed to quietly give up the ghost and sink to the bottom of the sea with the CO2 conveniently trapped forever. The only problem with this brilliant plan is photoplankton is voraciously sought out and eaten by all types of sea creatures as a part of their diet. And, of course, should that happen, vs. the quiet dying and sinking, well the CO2 is returned to the atmosphere plus some.

Lovely. And then there is Plan B4:

Mixing the deep water of the ocean. This is known as the "cosmic Mix-Master" option. Yes, giant tubes will be placed in the ocean and surface water "rich in carbon" will be pumped to the bottom of the sea, never to resurface. Of course the problem is the water deep in the sea that is displaced has to go somewhere and it will most likely go up. Any guess what is locked in that water right now? Heh, yup - lots and lots of carbon. Any guess where it will end up?

Yeesh. And finally, my favorite, B5:

Giant mirrors in space. Known among the less than impressed as the "window shade option" (and by others as the "Simpson Effect"), this plan requires either giant mirrors or lots and lots of tiny mirrors be shot into space and placed between Earth and the sun. Yes, that's right. Mirrors. Between us and the sun. And then, of course, we'll just, you know, turn them as we deem necessary whenever we want to adjust the amount of sunlight and heat we receive here on earth. What could go wrong with that?

*sigh*

This is what "leading scientists" come up with?

"Stupid, stupid!"

I like Plan 9 better:



By the way, for future reference when the AGW crowd starts trying to lay the greenhouse gases allegedly causing world-wide climate change (or global warming - whatever they're pushing that day) off on man, remind them that the anthropogenic (man-made) contribution to the "Greenhouse
Effect," expressed as % of total (with water vapor included) is a mere 0.28%.

Again, that's not just CO2 - that's all of the gases which allegedly contribute to that effect.
 
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"Giant mirrors in space"

Didn’t they do that on Futurama?
 
Written By: Jamie
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We have to protect our phoney baloney jobs!
 
Written By: looker
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No Jamie, it was on the Simpsons. Which brings me to why I am in the comments section:

Someone needs to tell the people who thought up B5 the following: "Simpsons did it!!"
 
Written By: Nathan A
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No Jamie, it was on the Simpsons.
Added.
 
Written By: McQ
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I get the feeling that the "natural climate cycle skeptics" are already using a combination of plan B1 and B5 .. smoke and mirrors.
 
Written By: Neo
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I mentioned this to my fiancee, who isn’t a scientist (commercial real estate lawyer). Because she isn’t a scientist, she didn’t stop to sensibly place her trust in people who ARE scientists but instead asked a question that a REAL scientist - who understands the science behind the scientific consensus of the science of global warming - would NEVER ask because REAL scientists don’t question the science of global warming, which is a scientifically settled question:

If we put lots of iron in the oceans, won’t that have some negative effect?

Now, I AM a scientist, so I quickly quashed her impertinent, uninformed, unscientific question. After informing her that scientists don’t ask questions about matters that have been settled by consensus in science, I told her that questioning scientists and their ideas is just plain silly. Why, people who are scientists are SMART. We go to scientist school and have lots of letters behind our names to show people that we are scientists and therefore shouldn’t be questioned. Especially by people who AREN’T scientists. Real scientists, that is: her BA is Political Science, which isn’t really science (she got angry when I said that). That’s not to say that political scientists can’t AGREE with real scientists on global warming. Every intelligent person knows that it is real because scientists say so. And scientists tell us that we’ve got to put iron in the water to save us from global warming, so I say:

Go for it.

Everybody, go get a file and a chunk of iron and start filing. When you get a pile of iron filings, drive to the nearest ocean and start dumping. Better still, WALK. But don’t breathe out while you’re walking, because scientists tell us that the CO2 you exhale causes global warming. So, if you breathe out, it will cancel out the effects of dumping the iron into the sea. See? And if you REALLY want to follow the scientific method to stop global warming (which scientists agree is going to destroy the earth within ten years... or some other time in the future), use that file on your SUV. But only the iron parts. Because if you dump other stuff into the ocean, you would be POLLUTING it. And that would be bad. Scientists say so.

And we all know that scientists are NEVER wrong.

Except political scientists. Sometimes.

/ sarc

I have to wonder what credentials one has to have to be a journalist these days. Is a very low IQ sufficient, or have you actually got to have a lobotomy or genuine brain damage?
 
Written By: docjim505
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I think that CO2 is one of the most innocuous chemicals out there — and really have no problem w/ having a bit more in the atmosphere.

BUT! The I don’t think that the iron seeding idea is that crazy, if we needed to do something w/ CO2 (which we don’t).

Here’s why: The algae would grow, generating carbohydrates, and synthesizing lipids within their cellular structure. And they’d scatter through the layers of the ocean to be, mostly, eaten. The critters that eat them metabolize the carbohydrate and lipid content of the algae then into the components necessary to synthesize proteins, and of course different carbohydrates and lipeds. Structural material and metabolized energy would be yielded. Some CO2 would be released through the metabolizing process, and some carbon would be bound to the urea and excreted into the ocean to be picked back up again (nitrates).

Net-net: You would probably get over 80% carbon containment by CO2 into this process. YMMV.



 
Written By: William
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Of course The Independent never identifies the "leading scientists" it surveyed
Of course it didn’t - because those people are an embarrassment to science.

A point also taken is that The Independent is not "independent" - it is merely another left-wing rag in the UK that hates George W. Bush and all things American. By this time next year, it will also hate Barack Obama. Independent? From what? The Trotskyites?
 
Written By: James Marsden
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How about we just address the root cause instead?

Too many people.

So, in addition to checking the box to support presidential campaign funds on your tax return, you can also check a little box where you will agree to be shot into space to keep human carbon emissions down.

Okay, maybe not shot into space. Dropped into the ocean to become part of the carbon sink known as the shark population.


 
Written By: Harun
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Giant mirrors in space. Known among the less than impressed as the "window shade option" (and by others as the "Simpson Effect"), this plan requires either giant mirrors or lots and lots of tiny mirrors be shot into space and placed between Earth and the sun. Yes, that’s right. Mirrors. Between us and the sun. And then, of course, we’ll just, you know, turn them as we deem necessary whenever we want to adjust the amount of sunlight and heat we receive here on earth. What could go wrong with that?
WORMSTROM!!!
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Iron added to water to increase algae growth? I thought Sylent Green is People?
 
Written By: Crusader
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Instead of mirrors, use solar panels, and beam the energy back to Earth. There by killing several birds with one effort...
 
Written By: Keith_Indy
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This reminds me of the exquisit film, "Highlander 2" starring Sean Connery.
 
Written By: Jimmy the Dhimmi
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Iron seeding...didn’t we already do that? I think it was called WWII.
 
Written By: Brown
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the exquisit film, "Highlander 2"
Those words all sound like english, but together they make no sense to me...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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What little enthusiasm there might be for Plan B measures will evaporate entirely when its proponents realize that there’s no way to ensure that all of the adverse secondary (or even primary) effects of their schemes fall on the West.

That could be particularly serious for China, for example. Its lousy environmental policies have already reduced the amount of sunlight that reaches the ground with adverse consequences for agriculture. Deliberately causing those effects could be a disaster for the country.
 
Written By: Dave Schuler
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I’m serious about this: Giant mirrors in space do have one advantage over all the other plans, which is that they can work both ways. Since temperature is pretty directly related to how much incoming energy we get, mirrors can be used to both block light for a cooling effect, and to reflect light onto the planet for a warming effect. Either could be used moderately effectively for weather control, especially of hurricanes.

Also, running the mirrors would be a matter of engineering, not science, and I suspect that getting engineers into the climate debate would settle the currently controversial matters pretty quickly in favor of the truth, whatever it may be.

Of course, unless space access gets a lot cheaper it’s all just wanking anyhow. Pray for fusion.
 
Written By: Jeremy Bowers
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And we all know that scientists are NEVER wrong.

Except political scientists. Sometimes.
If they’re Republicans.
 
Written By: Achillea
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"How about we just address the root cause instead?

Too many people."

Precisely. This calls for revamping B4 (my favorite) by substituting people for water, because we have lots of empirical evidence that people will stay at the bottom. I have a few candidates for this particular form of carbon sequestration.

"Iron seeding...didn’t we already do that? I think it was called WWII."

Nah, the particle size was too large, impossible for the plankton to swallow.
 
Written By: timactual
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Okay, and does anyone think that a militarily focused nation is going to believe that we’re always going to behave altruisticlly with the "mirrors in space" because face it, it’s going to be up to the major powers to expense, build, and operate the mirrors.

I can see us all cooperating on a series of devices that can deny, or overly supply, sunlight to all spots on the globe. Uh huh. Hmmm, crop failure brought on by darkness, deserts brought on by too much sunlight....

All we need now is Dr. Evil to have Frau focus "A giant magnifying glass, which I shall call Golden Eye" and extort the countries that don’t control it, and can’t reach it for "one trillion dollars".

I leave it to you engineers to figure out the focal length functions necessary to burn Tehran flat with focused sunlight, because you can bet an Iranian scientist is going to be pointing out we’re building the capacity.
 
Written By: looker
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How about we just address the root cause instead?
You mean Israel?
 
Written By: James D
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Sorry, my Bad...Dr Evil should have named it "Icarus" to keep it in line with it’s Bond movie prototype (Die another day)

But Golden eye worked better for me.

And yes, we all know Israel IS the problem, because at the base of all the troubles anywhere you will always find "the jooooooooooooooooooooos" lurking around (and for the last 8 years, they’ve been masquerading as George W. Bush).
 
Written By: looker
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(and for the last 8 years, they’ve been masquerading as George W. Bush)
Damn crafty, those Jews... :)
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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This story for the Belgium paper, De Standard, (page 33) is priceless.
 
Written By: Neo
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Global Warming is over and Global Warming Theory has failed.
There is no evidence that CO2 drives world temperatures or any consequent Climate Change.
According to Official data in every year since 1998 world Temperatures have been colder than that year yet
CO2 has been rising rapidly.
The rate of decline of world temperature has got more rapid since 2002; and Arctic ice has increased in the
last year ( http://www.iceagenow.com/Arctic_ice_INCREASES_by_nearly_a_half_million_square_miles.htm )
The UN IPCC predictions from 2000 have failed consistently and dramatically.
Temperatures have generally declined from the Bronze age 4,000 years ago while CO2 continually increased.
Whatever may have seemed plausible ten years ago the graphs of official data now available below explain
the facts.
For how many more years must temperature fall before these baseless ’Climate Change policies are dropped?
 
Written By: Neo
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Given their current cold snap, coupled with the Russian gas shut off, I’m sure the Euro’s are prepared to roll out the "It’s Colder because it’s getting Warmer!" banners and have parades in all the major gas shut off cities (if for no other purpose than to keep warm...)
 
Written By: looker
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"Giant mirrors in space"

Didn’t they do that on Futurama?
Nah, on Futurama it was determined that robot exhaust was the main contributor to greenhouse gas build up that was causing the warming. So, Nixon’s-head-in-a-jar sent all of the robots to an island for a government-paid party with the intention of wiping out all of the bots. Instead, all of the robots vented simultaneously pushing the earth just further enough away from the sun to mitigate the warming. Bender, inspired by a turtle, provided the final exhaust push needed to move earth.

Good show.
 
Written By: Is
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So, Nixon’s-head-in-a-jar sent all of the robots to an island for a government-paid party with the intention of wiping out all of the bots.
But first Dr. Wornstrom tried to use a giant mirror to reflect sun’s lights. Then a tiny bit hits it, turns it, and it becomes a firery beam of doom.
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Does the man-"made" component of CO2 include respiration?
 
Written By: blackrockmarauder
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Nah, the particle size was too large, impossible for the plankton to swallow.
Think of it as time relase capsules.
 
Written By: Brown
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Ah, yes. Highlander 2: The Sickening. There should have been only one.

Any movie that Sean Connery can’t save...
 
Written By: SDN
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