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Is Israel in for a bumpy 4 years?
Posted by: McQ on Saturday, January 10, 2009

David Frum throw out some interesting points about Democrats in general and specifically Democratic support for Israel:
First, Democrats are just generally less likely to support military actions by any nation, including the United States. A 2005 MIT poll found that only 57 percent of Democrats would support the use of American troops even to destroy a terrorist training camp. (Compared to 95 percent of Republicans.)

Second, Democrats hold an inexhaustible faith in the value of negotiation. Untroubled by Hamas’ character as a terrorist movement pledged to the total destruction of Israel and the murder of its population, 55 percent of Democrats believe that Israel should have tried to find a diplomatic solution to the Hamas rocket barrage.

Third, the more closely Americans follow the news, the more likely they are to support Israel. Yet more low-information voters are Democrats than Republicans.

Fourth, Democratic attitudes are poisoned by the influence of an anti-Zionist hard left, a vociferous faction whose ideology can bleed into outright anti-Semitism. The foreign policy page at the Barack Obama transition website, Change.gov, features many disturbing examples of this trend.
His third point may be true, however I also think it is the reason we'll see continued support for Israel even with a Democratic Congress and administration. The Democratic 111th Congress has come out strongly for Israel. Of course, you'd assume the Democrats in Congress are not "low-information" types as it pertains to the conflict and that helps explain their support.

But all-in-all I think Frum has a fair argument about why Democrats in general show Israel less favoritism than do Republicans. We certainly see it demonstrated here when the occasional pro-Palestinian commenter attempts to acquaint readers with the "real" facts about the situation or wax on about the necessity and power of negotiation. It normally becomes obvious that, for the most part, their understanding is superficial and based in the latest popular narrative ginned up by the "anti-Zionist hard left".

So although I think Israel will continue to have support, look for the more comfortable hard left to step up the rhetoric and attacks on Israel in the meantime.
 
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All of this goes straight back to what I said the other day, also. That being that Israel’s current reaction to the situation with Hamas is directly related to who’s going to be entering the white house on the twentieth.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Is Israel in for a bumpy 4 years?
LOL......dude, this is Israel.

Of course they’re in for a bumpy 4 years!

Pick any 4 year period and ask that question, the answer is yes.
 
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First, Democrats are just generally less likely to support military actions by any nation, including the United States. A 2005 MIT poll found that only 57 percent of Democrats would support the use of American troops even to destroy a terrorist training camp. (Compared to 95 percent of Republicans Second, Democrats hold an inexhaustible faith in the value of negotiation. Untroubled by Hamas’ character as a terrorist movement pledged to the total destruction of Israel and the murder of its population, 55 percent of Democrats believe that Israel should have tried to find a diplomatic solution to the Hamas rocket barrage.
The "reality based community" indeed. Talk talk talk invaluable negotiations but never realizing negotiation is worthless when all you’re planning on doing is asking nicely.

Reality does not bow down to left wing talking points (and yes Erb, that’s for you) Sometimes you get positive results from bringing down the hammer.

Why American Jews keep voting Dem is beyond me. Guess we’re just used to suffering
 
Written By: shark
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Why American Jews keep voting Dem is beyond me. Guess we’re just used to suffering
Sorry to say this but people get who the leaders they deserve.

Maybe all those Jewish grandparents from the great schlep will have some fun topics to discuss with their kids in the near future


 
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The election of Benjamin Netanyahu next month as Israel’s PM should be a signal that Israel will not take any crap from The Clown™ or any one of his Clownettes. Hillary Clinton can say all she wants that she is a "friend of Israel," but let us not forget that she played nice with Arafatpig’s wife and then had to apologize.

If The Clown™ makes a fool of himself and opens talks with Hamas, watch the Jews in Congress (all Dems) rebel and vote against that garbage. And that will be priceless.
 
Written By: James Marsden
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Why American Jews keep voting Dem is beyond me. Guess we’re just used to suffering.
If you want a good explanation of this, pick up a copy of Alan Dershowitz’s "The Case Against Israel’s Enemies". He states that this is one of the most asked questions that he receives from pro-Israel audiences. He argues that anti-Semitism and unwarranted, anti-Israel attitudes are prevalent on the far left (Chomsky et al); however, these same attitudes are common the far right (Buchanan, Duke, etc). The key is the far left and far right, radicals. As radicals exist at the extremes of both ideaological ends, he (and most American Jews) vote Democratic, which reflects their progressive (but not far left) ideals. I tend to disagree and believe that anti-Semitism and unwarranted criticism of Israel is becoming more common place among the moderate to far left of center, not just the radical left.
 
Written By: Is
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Is Israel in for a bumpy 4 years?
LOL......dude, this is Israel.

Of course they’re in for a bumpy 4 years!

Pick any 4 year period and ask that question, the answer is yes.
I’m afraid that the next four years are going to be especially difficult. Terror groups, like Hamas and Hezbollah, have been effective in swaying public opinion and garnering sympathy by launching their rocket attacks from locations next to hospitals, elementary schools, and generally populated areas. Due to this, if Israel retaliates for the indiscriminate murder of their populace, there is certain to be Palestinian civilian deaths, which is obviously the goal of Hamas. Dialogue will not work with a group that states their goal is the destruction of the Jewish state and that any peace is simply for the purposes of reorganizing and rearming. Some have advocated this dialogue. It is required, just not with Hamas. There are no moderate Hamas members.

Further, if unrestricted, the next four years will see Iran, whose President has stated that the Jewish state will be destroyed, become a nuclear power with a delivery system capable of reaching anywhere in the Jewish state. While opinion and political affiliation in Iran is not uniform, Israel will not see this happen from a state that has alluded to destroying Israel in one swoop.
 
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We certainly see it demonstrated here when the occasional pro-Palestinian commenter attempts to acquaint readers with the "real" facts about the situation or wax on about the necessity and power of negotiation. It normally becomes obvious that, for the most part, their understanding is superficial and based in the latest popular narrative ginned up by the "anti-Zionist hard left".
You shouldn’t insult Erb so. Besides, Jimmy recently proved the value of talking to Hamas.
 
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If you want a good explanation of this, pick up a copy of Alan Dershowitz’s "The Case Against Israel’s Enemies".
Alan may be right that that is the reason most jews are Democrats, but Frum proves that the left and Democrats are in fact the real domestic enimies of Israel.
 
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Excellent Topic!
 
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