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Bailing on CA?
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, January 13, 2009

Mike Riley's list of grievences seems fairly typical of those I've heard from other ex-Californians:
Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.

With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.

Is there something left of the California dream?

"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."
As the article points out, while the number of people leaving California is more than those arriving, in a state of 38 million, the net loss is very small. But it is indicative of some serious problems:
Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.

"You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.
That's a potent combination of factors leading to, at least for some, an unlivable situation. Add in virtually unchecked illegal immigration and you have a good number of Californians looking for the exit. As one analyst put it, California reminds him of the rust belt states in the '70s.

And it's not the only state seeing a net loss of its citizenry. New York is number 2 on that list.
 
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As the article points out, while the number of people leaving California is more than those arriving, in a state of 38 million, the net loss is very small.
Ah, not so!!
“[I]n fact, the state’s population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal.”
California is savef, I tell you! Huzzah!!
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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And it is not only individuals who are bailing on California. Corporations en masse are looking for the exit ramp from the Golden state.
 
Written By: SShiell
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I predict as things continue to get worse the stream of refugees from California will turn into a flood. (I know - very easy to predict.) The question then becomes as other states deteriorate, where do you go then? Will the ex-Californians learn their lesson and not commit the same errors in their new state. I don’t think so. So, which will be the last state standing?
 
Written By: jjmurphy
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I suspect a lot of those leaving didn’t vote into power the folks who caused the problems...
 
Written By: Scott Jacobs
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Question: If increased government spending and infrastructure spending is so good for the economy, why is California doing so poorly and why would we want to do the same thing on a national level?
 
Written By: SkyWatch
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I suspect a lot of those leaving didn’t vote into power the folks who caused the problems...
I agree, that is probably the case for the first few hundred thousand to leave. Then, the non-producers and leeches find their way to the new states to suck off the success there. Plus, there are always those liberals in the new states that are more than willing to pick up and run with the process of ruining a state from the inside.
 
Written By: jjmurphy
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Question: If increased government spending and infrastructure spending is so good for the economy, why is California doing so poorly and why would we want to do the same thing on a national level?
SkyWatch - Man, what a silly question! We should do it on a national level because....well....um.... you see, it’s complicated but....er...

 
Written By: jjmurphy
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New York is number 2 on that list.
No kidding. As someone who lives up here, let me just say:
The last conservative to leave NY, hit the light, OK?
 
Written By: Bithead
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That would be me, bithead. Retirement or layoff, when I’m done, I’m gone.
 
Written By: MarkD
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I hear ya, Bithead and MarkD. Moving to Jersey is out, but Connecticut is looking better and better. Politically, it’s not much different, but it’s the taxes. Greenwich isn’t significantly more expensive than my part of Westchester, then factor in lower property taxes (**** you, Andy Spano), lower state sales and income taxes, and lower gasoline prices.

It’s convenient right now to be close to certain relatives, but when we have a baby and need a bigger place, the wife and I will likely say sayonara to New York. California’s legislature is running that state into the ground, and we’re not behind.
 
Written By: Perry Eidelbus
URL: http://eidelblog.blogspot.com
" Will the ex-Californians learn their lesson and not commit the same errors in their new state."

Not if the folks leaving Massachusetts for New Hampshire are any indication.



"We should do it on a national level because....well....um.... you see..."

Economies of scale! Economies of scale! AKA, we will make it up in volume!
 
Written By: timactual
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Economies of scale! Economies of scale! AKA, we will make it up in volume!
Ha! I like that one!
 
Written By: jjmurphy
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Not to mention CA’s determination to be the most regulated, nannified state in the world.
 
Written By: Grimshaw
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That would be me, bithead
I’m looking at the exit, myself.
Thing is, I wonder where I could go.. the leak may well be here in NY and in CA, and a few other states... but where on the boat can you go to to avoid sinking, when there’s a leak in one part of it?

 
Written By: Bithead
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I was never a big fan of Southern California, except maybe for the mythical Los Angeles of the late 40s and early 50s, but Northern California along the coast was paradise, starting around Stinson Beach heading up. At least the last time I was out there, pretty long ago. It was, along with Colorado and New Mexico, among the most beautiful landscapes I’ve seen in the U.S.

Saying that, I acknowledge a strange attachment to upstate New York, where the jewel is surely the Adirondacks (Upper Saranac Lake being the jewel of the jewel) but with any number of areas offering natural beauty that almost compensates for the horrific communist regime that runs the state.

Both of my sisters became committed Californians but quit the place without reluctance for Oregon and Idaho as conditions worsened. We’re too connected to NYC to easily move away, and New Jersey and Connecticut give me strange sensations when I cross the borders into them. And I say that as someone who was born in an upstate town on the Jersey border, up to and including living on a street named Jersey Avenue at one point. I didn’t mind being close, but stepping over the line was another thing.

Maybe I could take rural Pennsylvania, but I wouldn’t want to judge that based on my year and a half in Philadelphia. Egads.

You can imagine how I’m feeling about that game two days ago.
 
Written By: Martin McPhillips
URL: http://newpaltzjournal.com
If the previous migration of Californians to Colorado and Texas were any indication, they brought their populist pansy/liberal voting patterns with them — and are turning our red states pink and baby blue.

The popular solutions worked so well last time, they’ve got to implement them all over again!
 
Written By: William
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If the previous migration of Californians to Colorado and Texas were any indication, they brought their populist pansy/liberal voting patterns with them — and are turning our red states pink and baby blue.

The popular solutions worked so well last time, they’ve got to implement them all over again!


Already started. See the death of TABOR in Colorado.
 
Written By: JamesT
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Dear California,

Colorado is full. Go somewhere else.

Sincerely,
Colorado
 
Written By: Ryan
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Sadly, through a combination of family ties and pensions (CalPERS ... sigh) I’m pretty much stuck here in SoCal, so I guess I’ll just have to try to ride out the 20 years to retirement. I’ll let you know how it goes.
 
Written By: Achillea
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Question: If increased government spending and infrastructure spending is so good for the economy, why is California doing so poorly and why would we want to do the same thing on a national level?
Because California has a Republican governor. Yes, he’s really a RINO, but the spending thing only works if the head honcho is a Democrat.
 
Written By: Don
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Not to mention CA’s determination to be the most regulated, nannified state in the world.
Gun control . . .
 
Written By: Don
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"Saying that, I acknowledge a strange attachment to upstate New York, where the jewel is surely the Adirondacks (Upper Saranac Lake being the jewel of the jewel) but with any number of areas offering natural beauty that almost compensates for the horrific communist regime that runs the state."

There’s a lot of beautiful stuff up there. From exit 30 of the Northway (I-87 to non-locals) up is gorgeous (until the land starts getting flat again and the quebec-tard drivers become really thick).

Here in Glens Falls, NY, we’ve been seeing a pretty steady decline in things that I’ve been told are state-wide. We’ve lost the bulk of our primary industry (paper and logging) and now people pin their hopes on tourism but we all know the crap that brings with it. We’re still the unofficial Catheter capital of the world, so that’s OK. But Ireland has been stealing some of that from us.

Much of our state is also getting their hopes up for the Nanotech industry. Our politicians keep blowing smoke up our rumps promising that we can be the "Silicon Valley" of Nanotechnology.

We’ll see. I’d be hard pressed to leave the area. Too much family, too many friends and all faults aside, Glens Falls is a great place to raise kids (since the Mrs and I have twins on the way).


 
Written By: Jim Sullivan
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It seems only a matter of time before Nans and I up stakes and head East. For now it is the Industry that’s keeping us here.

But one has to wonder: Aside from legacy real estate, what’s keeping the studios in So Cal? They seem to understand the value of doing business in other states and other countries. So why not move Paramount to Colorado or Toronto? Other than, again, the obvious tie of legacy real estate.
 
Written By: Ronnie Gipper
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There isn’t anywhere else to go, Eric. Soon enough, that’ll be clear enough to everyone.

I love the general ethics that comes with the agriculture around the Finger Lakes, and I love how water moves over the land around here. The streams and gorges are natural scenic magic. Most people here work hard at hard things, and the turns of season are always beautiful to me. I’ve discovered that I no longer like to play in the snow, but it takes a certain sporting blood to deal with these winters. The summers make everything worth it.

There is a triangle that runs from around here, east/northeast to about Albany, and then south to The City, which just bleeds American history to me. It’s not Oulde Newe Engeland like parts east-er, or cramped and then swampy like parts south. This was a great deal of the original American West: James Fennimore Cooper painted it for us. Later, it was a lot of the cradle of American industry.

I watch it roll through the years, with everything already done ineradicable: it will always be there in history. It’s sad to reflect on, but I still find it beautiful.
 
Written By: Billy Beck
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There isn’t anywhere else to go, Eric
I wonder about that. I wonder, for example, if a few of the individual states falling over will be enough to get people to understand. My guess is that we’ll see the answer to that question within the next four years... and likely the next two.
 
Written By: Bithead
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A thought in passing. In Steinbeck’s writings, we saw the Joad family, and about a zillion other families, suppsoedly, running to California for jobs, etc.

That was the great depression.

Now, in whatever they’re going to call this one, people have commenced moving the other direcion...
I’m not sure what to make of the thought, but there it is.
 
Written By: Bithead
URL: http://bitsblog.florack.us
"now people pin their hopes on tourism"

There seems to be a lot of that going around, which leads me to wonder who is going to stay home to run the tourist traps?
 
Written By: timactual
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