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About that Arctic Ice
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, January 13, 2009

For those of you living in sea level areas who expected to be up to your armpits in seawater because of the great Arctic icemelt predicted by the AGW crowd, relax:
Thanks to a rapid rebound in recent months, global sea ice levels now equal those seen 29 years ago, when the year 1979 also drew to a close.

Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards.
29 years ago, huh? So what happened?
Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
And then there was the 'colder than expected temperatures' and the weaker than expected winds which helped the ice formation process.

So let's get this straight - these researchers expected the ice to act differently than it did and weren't predicting the colder than expected temperatures or the weaker than expected winds?

But somehow we're supposed to give future credence to their predictions?

Good grief.

Meanwhile we have Pravda - yes Pravda - talking about a coming ice age. And frankly, it's a much more credible read than most of the AGW stuff you see coming out now.
 
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While the Artic sea ice changes are intersting, those worried about sea level will not gain or lose from the Arctic ice changes. Why? For the same reason that the Artic sea ice melt will not raise sea level. Because the sea ice floats. So whether it freezes or melts, the sea level does not change (not counting the minor expansion of water as it warms or cools). Melting of ice (or increased ice accumulation) on the Antarctic continent is a different story.
 
Written By: Not a Scientist
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Obama slowed the rising of the oceans. Glaciers are growing. Happy days are here again.
 
Written By: Twba
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Why were predictions so wrong? Researchers had expected the newer sea ice, which is thinner, to be less resilient and melt easier. Instead, the thinner ice had less snow cover to insulate it from the bitterly cold air, and therefore grew much faster than expected, according to the National Snow and Ice Data Center.
So, their models were wrong? I’m sure this is just an outlier.
 
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No, you guys, come on.
I told you last week when this was announced.

The reason there was more ice was because there was less snow to keep the ice warm.
And the reason there was less snow was because it was really warmer, except not warm enough to stop the ice from freezing.

And the reasons it was warmer were:

a) because cows and pigs fart (that’s why we need to tax them).
b) Santa hasn’t converted all his coal burning power plants over to windmills yet.
c) Americans drive SUVs and drink too much non-diet soda.
d) British citizens keep throwing out left over food (that’s a newly discovered one, big factor too in the overall contribution to AGW).

That’s not a choice list, those are all facts.
Geeze, you right wingers is so dumb.
 
Written By: looker
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The Pravda story is interesting, but coming from Pravda, it has the veracity of a "Troofer".
 
Written By: Neo
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Twba may be on to something .. I wonder how many "happy" stories are "in the can" waiting for the 44th POTUS.
 
Written By: Neo
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They can’t even predict something as simple as the interactive effects between the temperature, snow, and ice. So we’re supposed to believe their thousand variable computer models? Even if they happen to be right (which is doubtful), the approach is complete bullsh*t.

 
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Update - Google searches cause @7 grams of CO2 to be produced.
So that’s another reason the volume ice was higher than anticipated.
Too many Google searches by you AGW deniers!

(yeah yeah, I know, but see you have to be a consensus Scientist to understand this stuff. Common sense doesn’t apply. We’re talkin about saving the freakin planet okay?)
 
Written By: looker
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And today, at Madam Coldfish’s confirmation hearings, committee chairman John "I Am Too Stupid to Be President" Kerry said that "climate change is a national security threat."

To whom? How is cold or hot weather a "national security threat"?

Where do liberals get this garbage? Is there something they drink that makes them madder than a gang of nutjobs in an insane asylum?

 
Written By: James Marsden
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volume ice was higher

Take another look .. I’m sure it refers to area not volume.
 
Written By: Neo
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To whom? How is cold or hot weather a "national security threat"?
Remember, Al Gore won a Nobel Peace Prize for a documentary about AGW. Something that may or may not happen in the future that may or may not cause resource wars a hundred years from now. Yeah, that’s an imminent national security threat.
 
Written By: Steverino
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This all goes against the consensus of the science profs Scott Erb chats with in the university cafeteria.

So it must be bunk.
 
Written By: Don
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Better get ready for some cold air; ever heard of the year without a summer? 1816, hardly any crop production in the US. We are heading back into the cold part of the oscillation. Check the post below for some good related info:

http://principalitiesandpowers.blogspot.com/2009/01/baby-its-cold-outside.html
 
Written By: Harold
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But that 1816 summer, or lack thereof, is thought to have been caused by a volcanic eruption in 1815, preceeded by other large eruptions in 1812 and 1814 AND the Dalton minimum.

I’ll actually buy that is possible and likely.
Estimates are that Tambora blew 93 cubic miles of ash into the atmosphere (at least we know how to cool the planet off fast kids!) when it went up.

 
Written By: looker
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The Obamessiah promised that the moment of his nomination was the moment that sea levels would begin to fall.

Its just more evidence of his grace.

Long live his Obamajesty!
Long live his Obamajesty!
Long live his Obamajesty!

(Now a gun owner, and hoping to avoid getting rounded up, by the Obamatroopers the civilian defense force).
 
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Neo - Twba may be on to something .. I wonder how many "happy" stories are "in the can" waiting for the 44th POTUS.

Yep. It’s all about perception and bias. Everything that went wrong (or possibly could be considered to have gone wrong) during the last eight years was Bush’s Fault! (TM), whether he could possibly have had anything to do with it or not. For the next four (eight? twelve? more?) years, anything "good" will be due to TAO.
Napoleon was now never spoken of simply as "Napoleon." He was always referred to in formal style as "our Leader, Comrade Napoleon," and the pigs liked to invent for him such titles as Father of All Animals, Terror of Mankind, Protector of the Sheep-fold, Ducklings’ Friend, and the like. In his speeches, Squealer would talk with the tears rolling down his cheeks of Napoleon’s wisdom the goodness of his heart, and the deep love he bore to all animals everywhere, even and especially the unhappy animals who still lived in ignorance and slavery on other farms. It had become usual to give Napoleon the credit for every successful achievement and every stroke of good fortune. You would often hear one hen remark to another, "Under the guidance of our Leader, Comrade Napoleon, I have laid five eggs in six days"; or two cows, enjoying a drink at the pool, would exclaim, "Thanks to the leadership of Comrade Napoleon, how excellent this water tastes!"

George Orwell
Animal Farm
 
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"Ice levels had been tracking lower throughout much of 2008, but rapidly recovered in the last quarter. In fact, the rate of increase from September onward is the fastest rate of change on record, either upwards or downwards."

Lower than what? I call BS on this prefatory nod to the propagandizing of "climate change".

Except for the one small area where the media concentrated their attention, 2008 sea ice coverage in the antarctic was much greater than in previous years. In the Arctic, ice grew back very quickly, both in area and thickness, in the last quarter of 2007 and, in 2008, never tracked lower than 2007.

Anyone can eaily confirm the coverage tracking on the internet with readily available daily snapshots of both the arctic and antarctic.

Our betters are nothing more than scammers and charlatans and terrible at it, to boot.
 
Written By: Dusty
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NOAA has most tof the country at about normal temperature, but Waxman wants his AGW pound of flesh anyway.

So exactly what replaces "Big Oil" .. "Big non-Oil" ?

Meet the new boss. Same as the old boss.
 
Written By: Neo
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"So exactly what replaces "Big Oil""

Big Margarine?
 
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