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Posted by: McQ on Sunday, November 20, 2005

Is Zarqwai dead?
U.S. forces sealed off a house in the northern city of Mosul where eight suspected al-Qaida members died in a gunfight — some by their own hand to avoid capture. A U.S. official said Sunday that efforts were under way to determine if terror leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi was among the dead.

In Washington, a U.S. official said the identities of the terror suspects killed in the Saturday raid was unknown. Asked if they could include al-Zarqawi, the official replied: "There are efforts under way to determine if he was killed."

The official spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the information.

On Saturday, police Brig. Gen. Said Ahmed al-Jubouri said the raid was launched after a tip that top al-Qaida operatives, possibly including al-Zarqawi, were in the house in the northeastern part of the city.

During the intense gunbattle that followed, three insurgents detonated explosives and killed themselves to avoid capture, Iraqi officials said. Eleven Americans were wounded, the U.S. military said. Such intense resistance often suggests an attempt to defend a high-value target.
Ramifications if true ... for al-Qaeda? For the "insurgency"? For Iraq?

UPDATE: More interesting stuff:
Family members of Jordanian-born Abu Musab al-Zarqawi renounced the terrorist leader Sunday after his al-Qaida in
Iraq group claimed responsibility for the Nov. 9 suicide attacks on three Amman hotels that killed 59 people.

The family of al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, reiterated their strong allegiance to Jordan's King Abdullah II in half-page advertisements in the kingdom's three main newspapers. Al-Zarqawi threatened to kill the king in an audiotape released Friday.

"A Jordanian doesn't stab himself with his own spear," said the statement by 57 members of the al-Khalayleh family, including al-Zarqawi's brother and cousin. "We sever links with him until doomsday."

The statement is a serious blow to al-Zarqawi, who no longer will enjoy the protection of his tribe and whose family members may seek to kill him.

"As we pledge to maintain homage to your throne and to our precious Jordan ... we denounce in the clearest terms all the terrorist actions claimed by the so-called Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, who calls himself Abu Musab al-Zarqawi," the family members said.
Say what you will about Arabs, but what is being conveyed here is very serious stuff.

UPDATE: Did Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi, the 4th bomber in Jordan (who's bomb failed to detonate) have something to do with Zarqawi's possible demise?
Sajida Mubarak Atrous al-Rishawi was not able to detonate her bomb at the wedding party and fled with the guests as her husband exploded himself. Now, she is in the custody of the GID, Jordan’s intelligence agency. By all accounts, the interrogation is going slowly. Still, enough information is emerging for us to draw some lessons for the triple bombings in Amman, Jordan, on November 9.

Mrs. al-Rishawi’s family history reveals just how effective the U.S. military has proven to be in eliminating insurgents. Jordanian intelligence has learned that three of her brothers were killed by coalition forces in Iraq. Her brother, Thamir al-Rashawi, a member al-Zarqawi’s inner circle, was killed in April 2004 in Fallujah, when a missile fired from a U.S. aircraft struck his pick-up truck. Jordanian Deputy Prime Minister Marwan al-Mu’ashir described her brother, Thamir, as “the emir [commander] of the Al-Anbar region [of the Iraqi insurgency] in the Al-Qa’idah of Jihad Organization in the Land of Two Rivers. He was the right hand of Abu-Mus’ab al-Zarqawi.”

Her other two brothers, Ammar and Yassir, died in separate battles with U.S. forces in Ramadi, Iraq, in 2005.
Wow ... seems US forces have done a damn-damn on her family, not that there's anything wrong with that.
 
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Any chance that the female splodeydope that couldn’t, spilled the beans to the nice Jordanian intelligence service while they massaged her feet, and cooed Kumbayah in her ear in her candlelit cell, as our staunch defenders of freedom on the left would like?
 
Written By: Abu Qa’ Qa
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Ramifications if true ... for al-Qaeda? For the "insurgency"? For Iraq?
For Democrats?

Sorry, cheap shot. Just thought it was funny.

My thoughts? Terrorists seem to be cellular in operations. Look for a slight decline in attacks but then a sudden jump as a new figure fills in the vaccuum. I expect Syria or Iran to provide headhunting services for this.

While it’s always good to take out the most visible, unlike many lefties I don’t believe that BinLaden / Zarqawi = Al Qaeda. If anything, I’d like to see US troops quadruple their efforts (and making it very, very visible) to show we’re not going to stop just become #1 is now a pile of #2...
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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It’s a pleasant thought to think that sob may be shovling coal in hell at this very moment. Here’s hoping. If correct they should send his body to Jordan
for appropriate handling.
 
Written By: looker
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Ramifications if true ... for al-Qaeda? For the "insurgency"? For Iraq?
For Democrats?

Sorry, cheap shot. Just thought it was funny.
Hardly a cheap shot.

The Democrats have been pinning their entire shot at any gains at all at all levels of government on the handling of Iraq. The idea that we’re not doing so badly after all, doesn’t bode too well for the Democrats.

That said, your remaining point about BinLaden or Zarqawi <> Al Qaeda is well taken, and we still have a long road. Still, when all you can hear from the left is complaints about a lack of forward progress in Iraq, Zarqawi taking a dirt nap will create a silence while they figure out what the hell they’re going to bitch about NOW.
 
Written By: Bithead
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Immediate ramifications for Iraqi insurgency:
1) cessation of suicide bombings targetted at civilians (markets, mosques, funerals, restaurants, hotels)
2) continued assassinations of individual middle-class Sunnis who "collaborate" or participate in a new government
3) continued car bombings againt Iraqi security forces
4) continued roadside bombings against American convoys
5) continued sectarian violence (Baathist insurgents vs Sh’ia death squads)
6) continued kidnapping and extortion by criminal gangs

Near Long-Term - Iraq may come to resemble Afghanistan - nearly functioning with pockets of violence and recalcitrance in outlying border regions.

Long Term - Iraqi Baathists who fled to Syria and Jordan won’t be going home.

Ramifications for Al Qaeda:
1) They’ll turn their sights on US targets to shore up their flagging public support.
2) In the near term, they may go underground as their funding, namely Saudi financiers, has been effectively been cut off.
3) They’ll try to hold onto Pakistan.

 
Written By: broslosky
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A pretty good summation of possibilities, broslosky. I also agree with Robb’s comment on a temporary decline in terrorist activity.

Fortunately, the temporary decline would coincide with the period leading up the election, which is a good thing.

Over a longer span, if the election goes well and foreign sources of aid and fighters continue to be squeezed, then I expect a transition away from the pure terrorist acts towards simple criminal acts. There’s a fuzzy line between a gang of terrorists and a gang of criminals.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Of course, at this moment it appears the White House is claiming it ain’t him.

Either way, step up efforts ten-fold. Start putting pressure like there’s no tomorrow. Smoke the f*&#er out if he’s still alive.
 
Written By: Robb Allen (Sharp as a Marble)
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Of course, at this moment it appears the White House is claiming it ain’t him.
So I guess we better keep using the subjunctive tense for the time being.

The real problem in a situation such as this is the amount of potential disinformation put out by both sides. The original report could be disinformation by the terrorists to get the US all excited, and then primed for a letdown when Zarqawi reappears. Or it could be disinformation from the US to get some members of the insurgency to panic. Or it could be true that he’s dead, but the US is now claiming it’s not him to create confusion among the terrorists.

Heck, I can’t even predict what my wife will like for a birthday gift. Trying to guess the actions of people (the terrorists) who come close to my definition of clinically insane is a pretty chancy game.

 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Zarqawi’s death might be of benefit to Bin Laden & his wing of AQ.

Zarqawi’s Jordan bombing has backfired. This has be portrayed as a personal issue with Zarqawi, but the longer he leads part of AQ, the more all of AQ also owns the attack in Jordan. Zarqawi has also been advised to not do things to curry negative public opinion in the Muslim which might prevent a Caliphate. He’s been doing a poor job of that.

Zarqawi dying would be a plus for Bin Laden & his vision for AQ’s future, especially after Jordan.

Just a thought as to how Zarqawi just happened to possibly be killed this soon after the Jordan attack.
 
Written By: John
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If it IS him, expect the Dems to start whining that Bush set them up again...
 
Written By: shark
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If it IS him, expect the Dems to start whining that Bush set them up again...
Democrats: "What happen?"

Media: "Someone set up us the bomb."

Bush: "How are you gentlemen."

Democrats: "It’s you."

Bush: "All your talking points are belong to us."

Democrats: "What you say?"

Bush: "You are on the way to humiliation. You have no chance to win, make your time. Ha, ha, ha."
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Ramifications if true ... for al-Qaeda? For the "insurgency"? For Iraq?


umm then, we, ahh delcare victory and chopper out civvies in Huey’s, off the Bagdhad Palace roof.

We win! Republicans win! We have parades; Yay!

Thank God for the Republicans!
 
Written By: Rick D.
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Zarqawi is Blair’s Goldstein - keeping him alive - or leaving doubts as to whether he is dead - is more important than actually killing him. Zarqawi is no longer a person - he is a Zelig type figure who will never die, but will never have lived, except in photos and third hand reports from the middle east. If he did not exist, the Bush administration would need him. But he is ultimately, unimportant. Bush’s task will grow more difficult, and less difficult, without him. Assuming he died, which assume he lived in the first place.

 
Written By: mkultra
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So we’re getting tips as to the locations of the hardest core AQ types in Mosul. Sounds like mucho progress.

Also, waxing so many mid-level guys of AQ and the insurgents of course affects them. Just like it would us. Except they have less of a population base to work with.

The baathist insurgents will probably slowly taper off as they finally decide its better just to get a job and get on with life. Once US troops are all gone, who’s going to want to keep fighting "the occupiers?"
 
Written By: Harun
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Zarqawi is Blair’s Goldstein - keeping him alive - or leaving doubts as to whether he is dead - is more important than actually killing him...[assuming] he lived in the first place
So true! And that’s why Blair’s regime devised the London subway bombings, taking a cue directly from 1984.

Really, having the results in Iraq (if it really exists) of "Zarqawi" (wink-wink) on the telly each night is simply not enough to frighten the British sheeple into supporting Poodle Blair’s "war". Obviously, Bushitler convinced Blair that he must bring the "war" home in order to bolster lagging support. Apparently Blair’s tight control over the media (who frankly are just the PR arm of Blair’s government) was not enough to convince the populace to support his efforts.

So, needing to bring the actual fear home, Blair (aka "Zarkawi") sent several innocent, misguided citizens into the tubes and onto buses. These citizens, being proles, had no idea of course, that they were going to be exploding, killing their beloved comrades.

And he’d have gotten away with it, if it weren’t for you meddling kids!
 
Written By: O’Brien
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Dang, O’Brien! I think I can hear Karl Rove’s helicopters coming to take you to the Pod People for questioning.
 
Written By: Wacky Hermit
URL: http://organicbabyfarm.blogspot.com
Rick D. wrote:
"umm then, we, ahh delcare victory and chopper out civvies in Huey’s,
off the Bagdhad Palace roof."
I expect we’ll drive out at moderate speed, and that you’ll never admit there’s any significance to that.

Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
 
Written By: Tom Perkins
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