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Part of the problem—indeed, the problem is that it is unclear waht "securing the border" means and whether it is even possible. |
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Steven Taylor
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Part of the problem—indeed, the problem is that it is unclear waht "securing the border" means and whether it is even possible. I agree Steven. But ignoring it isn’t a solution. |
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McQ
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Securing the border?
If you had uninvited & unknown people constantly sneaking into your house what would ’securing’ mean to you?
Don’t make it more complicated than it is, it’s VERY simple.
If that doesn’t work - ask yourself what you would expect to happen to you if
you knowingly crossed the border into, say, France, with no visa, now work permit, not passport and no reason for you to be there other than you were interested in working at a job some French Student thinks is his birthright.
You know what would happen, and it wouldn’t be a discussion about welcoming
you, giving you amnesty and making you a citizen.
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looker
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Part of the problem—indeed, the problem is that it is unclear waht "securing the border" means and whether it is even possible. I agree Steven. But ignoring it isn’t a solution.
But if we don’t know what it means or if it is possible, then how do we even go about doing it? |
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Jon Henke
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I’m with Steve.
The border is 3,000 miles long. Its not a straight line. The only way to police the border is to make them want to stay in mexico.
Why doesn’t anybody dare to talk about the relationship beween NAFTA and immigration? Can one of you free trading economists explain why NAFTA hasn’t created good jobs in Mexico such that anyone will notice? |
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cindy bravo
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Sounds pretty simple to me. Securing the border means controlling the movement of people and goods across the border. Is it possible? It seems to be, wherever it has been seriously tried. Is it a big job? Sure, so what? some people are starting to sound like whiny kids; "I can’t doo it, it’s too harrrd". |
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NAFTA has not fixed the Mexican economy because it cannot do so. The Mexican economy is a disaster because that country is rife with corruption, and its leaders are only barely accountable to the citizens.
But, if you secure the border with a big, high tech fence, backed with satellites, drones and more guards, you just might force the issue with Mexico. With nowhere to go, those otherwise illegals will create a huge problem for Mexico and they may well decide to reform their corrupt culture at long last.
One thing I cannot stand is this intellectually dishonest dialogue our leaders seem to want. We have this idea foisted on us that there are jobs Americans simply refuse to do. Not so. Hard work is non un-American at all; and meat packing, gardening, roofing and drywall work have long been performed by American citizens when wages were actually determined by undistorted, transparent markets.
Effectively, our government’s blind eye to the illegal immigration problem has created an underground economy. Wages are untaxed and thus discounted, virtually subsidized by an IRS incapable of stopping it. Americans workers cannot compete with a black market when they are required to pay taxes and some are not.
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Roger Snowden
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How are we going to prove who has been here less than two years, more than five years, ect???
It’s not like we have W2s or tax forms to look at and I doubt too many illegal employers will be forthright with the info. |
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Duane
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Did I not predict that the GOP would fail miserably on this issue? *SIGH* |
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shark
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The problem with most GOP senators (and all moderates) is that they are always seeking a way to manage the problem. They have no interest in solving the problem.
To paraphrase the Great Stainmaker, it depends on what your definition of “problem” is. For most Americans, illegal immigration is a problem and stopping it solves the problem. For the poltroons in Washington, angry Americans are the problem and getting the issue off the front page solves the problem.
The cold facts are that most Americans are moderates, and thus deserve no action on this issue. They believe that we are OBLIGATED to welcome as many illegals as it takes to avoid what would otherwise be an extremely violent revolution in Mexico. If we secure our border, we may well be watching Paris times 10 on CNN, with firebombings, assassinations and mayhem night after night after night. Heck, I would welcome that, but too many Americans would not.
Also, too many Americans have a romantic view of immigration, and thus lack the stomach to support militarizing the border and shooting illegals on sight - as many as it takes to stem the tide. So, some of us suffer so some of the rest of us can feel noble and not be called names.
As for how to secure the border, may I suggest bringing our troops home from Europe - the ones guarding France, Germany, etc. from the Soviet threat that vanished ten years ago. Of course, our globalist elites don’t want that either, since it would force “our allies” to hike tax rates to about 80% or take a meat cleaver to social services, provoking popular outrage.
This debate was not lost today. It was lost last week when the US decided NOT to machine gun to death the illegals marching in our streets demanding rights. If they could ask such a question, and even live long enough to hear an answer, then it had to be downhill from there. Our leaders feared that mob more than they feared the true Americans - probably because the true Americans were not ready to loot and riot over this issue. |
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The GOP has finally out liberaled the Democrats. ANIMAL FARM comes true. My liberal President turns out to be more liberal than JFK?!#@# If there were anyone with an IQ above 70 still with the Donkey 06 wold be a disaster for the GOP. This will cause the GOP to lose some seats in Congress but still probably have majorities in both houses.
Also bring to mind a Quote I heard while in college in 1964 from an ex boxer turned Govenor - G. Wallace (refering to LBJ vs Goldwater) "There aint a nickle’s worth of difference between the two parties!" Judging by how they voted here you need a program to tell the GOP from the Dem. Both parties pushed this big government bill. |
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The thing that makes me so mad at the liberals who have been "leading" the Republican Party the last few years is that they treat me like I have an IQ well below room temp. The way they lie about this amnesty bill is a very good example of their total disrespect for conservatives. Only a moron truely believes it is anything other than forgiveness (which is just another word for amnesty) for being criminals.
Bush turned hard to the left 15 months ago. His lies about this "forgiveness" program show he is still a left wing extremist. Right there with Teddy. But I should not be as surprised as I am. After all it was Bush and Teddy that pushed through the left wing, big government "No Child left behind" boondoggle years ago. So the two liberals team up again for another big government program; what’s new? |
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Written By:
Rodney A Stanton
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McQ!For the umpteenth time: get control of the flow of immigrants. Then put together an temporary worker program which requires self-deportation and application in the worker’s country of origin. And I’ve read your position all umpteen times, but I just can’t seem to find anyplace where you actually state a practical reason for it.
yours/
peter.
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Peter Jackson
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