Iraq is going to be there - it’s just a question of when we get back to it," Reid said Spoken like a true profile in courage. That translates into "we’ll try something again when we think nobody is looking or if it gets more unpopular"
And while Reid dithers about, the war that he said just HAD to be ended NOW goes on.
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Badger? Badger? Badger.....? |
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the Democrat leadership is in the position of partially facing the facts... and discovering Bush was correct.
Stoller, who is never troubled by fact, hasn’t gone quite so far as yet.
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Sen. Levin shows that one of the (lesser talked about) lessons of Viet Nam is don’t get blamed for losing the thing.
Congressional Democrats were (rightly) accused of losing Viet Nam and (even more rightly) enabling the "killing fields" of Cambodia through their callous use of defunding.
They don’t fear the extreme left side of the party as much as they fear creating a new generation of "Reagan Democrats". |
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Bad-Jer standing in:
The majority of the American public demands an end....uh
The majority of the public trusts the Democrats more than the President....uh
The majority of the public doesn’t want the surge....uh
The workers control the means of production!
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McQ, slightly off topic, but did you happen to catch 60 Minutes on Sunday. I guess by your logic, those troops don’t support themselves? |
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McQ, slightly off topic, but did you happen to catch 60 Minutes on Sunday. I guess by your logic, those troops don’t support themselves? *gasp*
Dissent from members of the military? Why that’s never happened before, has it AL?
And yes, I’d agree with your assessment of "my logic" in this case. In fact, they’re flat out saying they don’t support the mission or them being a part of it ... or did you miss that?
As to "60 Minutes", no, I gave it up for Lent after "Rathergate" and have never bothered to pick it up again. OK, I was kidding about Lent. |
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Anyone with a brain knows that nowadays there are Polls and there are "polls". While the nutroots are dancing around in glee declaiming the "polls" that show America supporting their positions, Representative Pelosi is reading the Polls. |
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Dissent from members of the military? Why that’s never happened before, has it AL?
And yes, I’d agree with your assessment of "my logic" in this case. In fact, they’re flat out saying they don’t support the mission or them being a part of it ... or did you miss that? McQ, did you happen to notice that many of the troops on the 60 Minutes panel had voluntarily re-enlisted, despite their strong criticism of the war? They were asked why they did this and they explained that, while they disagreed with the war, they cared about the welfare of their fellow troops and wanted to do whatever they could to try to keep their friends safe.
Is that really so hard to understand, McQ? You don’t see how someone can be opposed to Bush’s war policy and support the troops at the same time? These troops are doing it. Obviously they support the troops. They are the troops, and they re-enlisted for no other reason than to support their fellow troops. |
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Dissent from inside the miliary? Yeah it’s true.
If you ask most of us here in Ramadi we really would rather be home drinking a nice beer and grilling instead of running from buildings or having to sleep on rooftops to watch our sectors but that’s part of the job of being a Soldier.
To be all honest, I’d rather be any place in the world than Iraq but I did this on my own free will and would come here in a second again if I knew it helped someone else from not having to come here.
While coming here again is tiring it all boils down to fighting here or at home and I’d rather be doing the fight here before it’s at my doorstep.
As for training, I came to my new unit knowing they were going back to Iraq within a year and we are the best trained we can be at this point (two previous deployments helps).
Most of our current training also focused on lessons learned in two previous tours already so you could say longer training time is good but for us now this conflict is like doing stuff we’ve already done just now in different areas of Iraq.
Now arguing about Iraq that can be a drain for those around you but it’s all you got sometimes.
It’s hot, you are gone for a year and at a dangerous place risking your life, so you need to be able to vent just don’t let it affect your head for the safety of those around you.
Politicans can say what they like but there are a few out there that understand and hopefully they carry the big voices during debate.
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You don’t see how someone can be opposed to Bush’s war policy and support the troops at the same time? These troops are doing it. Actually they’re not, AL. And I’ve outlined why that’s the case many times. And, of course, "troops" don’t get to decide which war they fight, that’s part of being a ’troop’.
So while you find it laudable that they talk about opposing the war, do you suppose the troops I’ve featured buy into their ’supporting" them?
Yeah, they obviously wouldn’t and I don’t either. |
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If you ask most of us here in Ramadi we really would rather be home drinking a nice beer and grilling instead of running from buildings or having to sleep on rooftops to watch our sectors but that’s part of the job of being a Soldier. Rick ... good to see your comments again.
For those of you who don’t know, Rick is with the 3rd ID and has been a QandO reader for a few years. He’s currently on his second tour in Iraq.
Stay safe Ricardo.
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. . . did you happen to notice that many of the troops on the 60 Minutes panel had voluntarily re-enlisted, despite their strong criticism of the war? They were asked why they did this and they explained that, while they disagreed with the war, they cared about the welfare of their fellow troops and wanted to do whatever they could to try to keep their friends safe. Of course they are going to give a politically correct answer.
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Anon, be sure to catch the milbloggers outing of the 60 Minutes soldiers’ group as an astroturfing false front for longstanding antiwar/socialist groups. Greyhawk has the details.
Rick, thank you for your service.
Thank God our soldiers now viewed as sacrosanct, rather than spitworthy. Their will, skill, and professionalism may be enough to drag the unwilling to victory. |
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Rick,
Stay safe and have at ’em. |
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Of course they are going to give a politically correct answer. Yeah, Don, they were being politically correct when they decided to re-enlist and put themselves yet again in harm’s way. That makes sense.
As for this, McQ: Actually they’re not, AL. And I’ve outlined why that’s the case many times. And, of course, "troops" don’t get to decide which war they fight, that’s part of being a ’troop’.
So while you find it laudable that they talk about opposing the war, do you suppose the troops I’ve featured buy into their ’supporting" them? Okay, McQ, these soldiers actually don’t support themselves and their comrades because you "outlined why that’s the case" with your ironclad logic. They just re-enlisted because they relished the idea of risking their lives some more in pursuit a policy they don’t believe in. That makes sense.
And I love how you presume to speak on behalf of their fellow soldiers. These people are currently serving in Iraq, bravely, and I doubt their comrades think that just because they spoke out about Bush’s war policy, they somehow no longer support their friends. I mean that’s just self-evidently stupid.
And, McQ, these soldiers aren’t claiming that they "get to decide which war they fight." They’re simply voicing their opinions. None of them are deserting or refusing to follow orders or report for duty. These are people who volunteered to serve their country following 9/11 and continue do whatever is asked of them. They’re not claiming they have the right to choose which war they fight in. They’re simply voicing skepticism about the wisdom of our policies in Iraq.
And I bring them up not to "laud" their decision to speak out, but simply to illustrate that it is obviously possible to support the troops while opposing Bush’s policies, something which is so self-evidently true that I’m continually amazed you deny it. |
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In other words, AL, you disagree. No surprise there. I knew that when you asked the first question. And pardon me if I’m not interested in continuing a discussion you and I have had at least 3 or 4 times previously.
I know where you stand, you know where I stand, and neither of us is going to change our mind. So perhaps we should just agree to leave it there.
BTW, have you seen where Carl Levin said today that we should consider going after Syria?
There ... gently nudged back on topic. |
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Yeah, Don, they were being politically correct when they decided to re-enlist and put themselves yet again in harm’s way. That makes sense. They re-enlisted for their own reasons, which may or may not match the politically correct answers they provided while staring into a TV camera.
While reading your post, I was think of McBride’s book A Rifleman Went to War, which tells his experience as an American in the Canadian forces in WW1. When McBride was working on the manuscript, a friend told him he couldn’t publish it; he couldn’t tell people that he actually enjoyed aspects of WW1, and actually enjoyed killing the enemy.
Just like Al Gore on a Global Warming jet ride, people’s political views and personal behaviour do not always neatly line up . . .
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"Thank God our soldiers now viewed as sacrosanct, rather than spitworthy."
Neither extreme is healthy. |
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