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IBD Revisits Jimmy Carter’s foreign policy triumphs (updated)
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, May 22, 2007

I doubt this will cause the "Mouth of the South" to hush, but you can only hope (and yes, I know that was previously the sobriquet Ted Turner enjoyed, but, you know, Jimmy just deserves it more now). One of his triumphs detailed. Read the others as well:
On taking office in 1977, Carter declared that advancing "human rights" was among his highest priorities. America's ally, the Shah of Iran, was one of his first targets, with Carter chastising him for his human rights record and withdrawing America's support.

One of the charges was that the Shah had been torturing about 3,000 prisoners, many of them accused of being Soviet agents. Carter sent a clear message to the Islamic fundamentalists that America would not come to the Shah's aid. His anti-Shah speeches blared from public address systems in downtown Tehran.

The irony, as noted by Steven Hayward of the American Enterprise Institute in his book, "The Real Jimmy Carter," is that the regime of Ayatollah Khomeini "executed more people in its first year in power than the Shah's SAVAK had allegedly killed in the previous 25 years." Khomeini's regime was a human rights nightmare.

When Khomeini, a former Muslim exile in Paris, overthrew the Shah in 1979, he established the first modern Islamic regime, a role model for the Taliban and the jihadists to follow. And when the U.S. embassy was stormed that November and 52 American hostages were held for 444 days, America's lack of resolve was confirmed in the jihadist mind.

The wreckage of Carter's foreign policy was seen in the Iranian desert, where a plan to rescue the hostages, a plan never formally presented to the Joint Chiefs, resulted in the loss of eight aircraft, five airmen and three Marines. The rest, as they say, is history.
Indeed.

UPDATE: Go take Billy Hollis' poll on Jimmy Carter.

UPDATE II:
Oh man!
"Worst in history," as the great statesman from Georgia has to know, has been the title for which he has himself been actively contending since 1976. I once had quite an argument with the late Sen. Eugene McCarthy, who maintained adamantly that it had been right for him to vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980 for no other reason. "Mr. Carter," he said, "quite simply abdicated the whole responsibility of the presidency while in office. He left the nation at the mercy of its enemies at home and abroad. He was the worst president we ever had."
BIFF! BANG! POW!
 
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Toward the end of the previous thread, and inspired by Instapundit, I posted my own Jimmy Carter poll. For those who didn’t stick around that thread long enough:

Which of these best describes Jimmy Carter?

I even included one option lifted verbatim from a Scott Erb comment. Though I don’t think Scott will care much for the rest of the poll options.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
URL: http://qando.net
Cue Commrad Professor...

And Billy, you have to have another option for that poll.

"Answers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7"
 
Written By: Scott
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You’re Erb-trolling with irresistable bait
 
Written By: shark
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Well, you all obviously do not understand the requirements developed by the Democratic think tanks for the ’08 elections. The Democrats have not had an heroic figure to stand for the great history of the Party since JFK. Someone is needed who can capture the imagination of a majority of Americans to make the keynote speeches, etc. that elder statesmen are needed to make during campaigns.

Don’t have any? No problem. Enter the Democratic consultants: "We have the press, the networks and world-wide contacts who will sign on to anything we put up. You think your lapdog Carter is all you have and he is a pig? When we get through shampooing, waxing and putting on the lipstick, then Astroturf it, the stupid dogs will scarf it up. Just you watch. Academically trained progagandists like Professor Erb are standing by for just such efforts. Truth be damned. Say things like: "World renounded humanitarian, Nobel prize winning, Israeli peace planning hero" often enough and it will become true (cue LN principles reprise) at least for enough lazy urban liberal voters to put us over the top. We’ll get you your elder statesman."

You have seen this strategy work itself out in the comments here. Black helicopters and UN secret plots? When the black helicopter lands on Main Street and the pilot who is in line just in front of you flashes UN ID to purchase a cool one at the local Seven Eleven, one takes another look at those conspiracy posts. What are these guys up to?

So who you going to believe? Professor Erb or your own lying eyes?
 
Written By: Robert Fulton
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I tried my best, but unfortunately, Jimmy was elected. Being a law abiding citizen - I only voted once. Maybe I should’ve emulated the Chicago Dems - vote early and often.

It was the first election I was old enough to cast a vote in. I knew if Carter was elected, it would be a disaster. I was right - it was.
 
Written By: Teresa
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"America’s ally, the Shah of Iran, was one of his first targets,"

It is no coincidence, comrades, that these folks always seem to target allies. It is safer; allies tend not to fight back. Our allies also, coincidentally, tend to be less socialist than the real malefactors.
 
Written By: timactual
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Your honesty nearly doomed us, Teresa... For shame.... ;)
 
Written By: Scott
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Why the sudden obsesion with Carter? Guys, once you go down the road of arguing that No, Carter was a bit worse than Bush and therefor Bush isn’t the worst modern president yet, you’ve already lost.
 
Written By: Retief
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Why the sudden obsesion with Carter?
Carter’s the one who thrust himself to the front of the news lately. Honestly, I’d just as soon never talk about him, but he keeps opening his yap.
 
Written By: steverino
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Guys, once you go down the road of arguing that No, Carter was a bit worse than Bush and therefor Bush isn’t the worst modern president yet, you’ve already lost.
steverino hit the main reason. Unlike almost all previous ex-presidents, Carter wants to insert himself into modern discourse. If he wants to do that, his history as a failure in leading this nation is relevant. (If he wasn’t trying to do that, we’d all ignore him, but unfortunately, Carter would rather he despised than ignored.)

Second, just because we think Carter is bottom of the pile doesn’t mean most of us think Bush is any great shakes. We’ve pointed this out numerous times to left-of-center commenters, but we have to keep doing it. We don’t like Bush either! So positioning this as us defending Bush is a misunderstanding. Yes, the most recent round got started when Carter called Bush the worst president. But we’ve been down on Carter for years, and this is just his latest idiocy. Bush can be pretty bad, and still be better than Carter.
 
Written By: Billy Hollis
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Billy, in other words:

On a scale of one to a hundred (1 being best, 100 being worst), Carter is 100.
Bush may be 99 - but that is still better than 100.
 
Written By: SShiell
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Reief, Erb, glasnost, et al.,
A point I meant to make on an earlier Carter thread: please stop confusing worst President ever in Carter with (possibly) the least popular President ever in Bush.
These are two very different things, no matter how hard your Liberal Narrative attempts to make them the same.
 
Written By: Warrior Needs Food Badly
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And to second what Billy said, none of us are claiming Bush is great.

Much of the time he’s not good, sometimes he’s bad, and now and again he’s awful. Unfortunately in a two party, winner-take-all system like ours, he was the better bad choice, twice.
 
Written By: Warrior Needs Food Badly
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please stop confusing worst President ever in Carter with (possibly) the least popular President ever in Bush.

These are two very different things, no matter how hard your Liberal Narrative attempts to make them the same.
Another symptom of BDS.
 
Written By: looker
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Of course all thinking people know that Bush sucks as you suggest. That’s why changing the subject to Carter is so comfortable. Usually Clinton fills this need, but it’s nice to take turns.

If you want to blame someone for the Ayatollah in Iran, blame that idiot Eisenhower.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
Ya know, Retief, you’re, um, obtuse.

Which part of, if Carter would shut up, we wouldn’t talk about him aren’t you picking up on?

This isn’t about Bush, or comparing Carter to Bush, it’s because Carter decided to spout off about Bush’s administration (yet again).

But chances are it would have been just as bad had Carter opened his mouth about almost anything else, except maybe peanut farming (and chances are, even if he had only done that he’d have found a way to claim something was bad for peanut farmers or the peanut crop because of the Bush Administration).
 
Written By: looker
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had Carter opened his mouth about almost anything else, except maybe peanut farming (and chances are, even if he had only done that he’d have found a way to claim something was bad for peanut farmers or the peanut crop because of the Bush Administration
A thought just occured to me...

Remember the first funding bill Bush vetoed? Anyone recall how much PENUT FARMERS got?

No wonder Carter’s being so damned pissy!!! Bush COST HIM FREE MONEY!!!
 
Written By: Scott
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looker, I guess that would be the part where this is the third post about Carter, all sparked by his obscure, and demonstrably true, comment that Bush has been worse at foreign policy than Nixon.
 
Written By: Retief
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Obscure?
National news now is obscure?
The White House issuing a comment on the comment is obscure?
National news about Carter backpeddling is obscure?

By who’s standard?

 
Written By: looker
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Well looker, based on available evidence, I would have to say "his"...
 
Written By: Scott
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In the foreign policy arena, Carter had events thrust upon him which, in restrospect, could have been handled better, perhaps much better.

George Bush has had events thrust upon him as well, and for my money, comparing the reaction errors of Carter to the Iranian hostage crisis to Bush’s initiation of a full scale war against a nation that posed no demonstrable threat to the US while major threats existed elsewhere and were given short shrift, is a comparsion that makes Carter look like a foreign policy genius.

Simply put,

Carter - failed to respond adequately to the hostage crisis in Iran.

Bush - In responding to a terrorist threat invaded the wrong country.

Neither did well, but Bush has raised the bar for incompetence so high that I doubt we will ever see a President that can compare to him unfavorably.

Bush’s problem is not just public opinion, he is a genuinely AWFUL "decider".

Do you need a list of the bad decisions Bush has made? Do you have the bandwidth?

Cap
 
Written By: Captin Sarcastic
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In responding to a terrorist threat invaded the wrong country.
Well, at least you didn’t say "an innocent country."
 
Written By: JWG
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"Carter would rather he despised than ignored"

Hmmmmm.


"These are two very different things,"

Only for those who think popularity is not the object of politics and holding office.
 
Written By: timactual
URL: http://
Did you see this?
 
Written By: Aldo
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In the foreign policy arena, Carter had events thrust upon him which, in restrospect, could have been handled better, perhaps much better.
hahahahahahahahahahahahah

thanks I needed that
 
Written By: capt joe
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Yes, he sure showed us how to deal with killer bunnies. Yep, world class that was.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Where is uber prof!!! The never ending well of conjecture! 20 bucks says Scotty comes back babbling hard about "I support this but if only they did what they had done when I was believing what was said they would but really we could do much better type CR@P (Feel free to insert narrative where needed).

Are your lectures as bad as your posts?? Maybe your talents could be better used if you decided to teach in high school, There you would really be able to work the narrative mojo. What do you think?
 
Written By: coaster
URL: http://
*cough*

Please... Until I figure out how to fix my browsers (here and at work) so I can post under the name Scott Jacobs, please add that guy’s last name... please?
 
Written By: Scott
URL: http://
"Where is uber prof!!! The never ending well of conjecture! 20 bucks says Scotty comes back babbling hard about "I support this but if only they did what they had done when I was believing what was said they would but really we could do much better type CR@P (Feel free to insert narrative where needed)."

I’ll take that bet. Erb got his *ss handed to him on a platter on a previous post about Carter, so he is off licking his wounds.

One thing I wonder. Does Erb’s students ever come here to QandO and read some of his comments?

Hey, Mainiacs? Any of you reading your Professor’s comments here? What say you? Does he make any more sense in a lecture hall?
 
Written By: SShiell
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Carter - failed to respond adequately to the hostage crisis in Iran.
And what else happened in Iran during President Carter’s term before the hostage crisis itself?
 
Written By: Mark A. Flacy
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At his age, soon he will be the "late" president.

Then Bubba can be the worst, most irrelevant, most damaging president.
 
Written By: Sharpshooter
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"Bush - In responding to a terrorist threat invaded the wrong country."

How much anyone wanna bet that if Bush invaded Iraq, the left would have had even more of a mental meltdown/breakdown?
 
Written By: Sharpshooter
URL: http://
looker, since when has the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette been "national news"?

That the Whitehouse chooses to comment simply demonstrates my thesis: Bushies love to change the subject, because Bush’s suckage is blatant.
 
Written By: Retief
URL: http://
looker, since when has the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette been "national news"?
When it’s picked up by the AP.

I’m the Scott Jacobs that tipped of McQ to the original story, and *I* saw it on my iGoogle news list. How many other people saw it because of the AP?

I’m willing to bet tens of millions...
 
Written By: Scott
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