There is an intriguing parallel between the Democrats and their base on Iraq, and the GOP and its base on immigration. Establishment thinking is that both parties are hurt by the tactics and position of it’s "base" while each base thinks that the parties should adopt their position. The GOP base thinks Republicans should become focused on "no amnesty and kick out all illegals" while the Democratic base wants their party to "fight tooth and nail to end the war in Iraq using all Congressional power possible."
Though I wouldn’t dismiss Huffington’s concern about dead Americans as emotional alone. Concern about loss of life should be something taken seriously, because it has a real impact on families and the country. If one thinks fighting in Iraq is not in the national interest, then they also believe that those deaths are pointless and a waste. Agree or disagree, if one has a belief that lives are being sacrificed in vain, shouldn’t one speak out? |
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The framing is set, the rock and hard place they find themselves between is of their own making... So they’re between Iraq and a hard place...?
Sorry. I’m not normally a punner, but my sons just watched one of the Hot Shots movies, in which that horrible pun is shown on a map. |
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Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - Web Reconnaissance for 06/13/2007 A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention. |
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So they’re between Iraq and a hard place...? I think you need pun-ishment :) |
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There is an intriguing parallel between the Democrats and their base on Iraq, and the GOP and its base on immigration. My understanding is that on immigration, quite a few Dems agree with the GOP "base".Though I wouldn’t dismiss Huffington’s concern about dead Americans as emotional alone. I dismiss it as political opportunism. Dead patriotic Americans is win-win for the Democrats. |
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Believe it or not, many of us don’t like the policy in Iraq because of a distrust of interventionism and a belief that the war weakens the US and aids extremists. There can be disagreement on that, of course, but to assume opponents are political opportunists is usually not accurate. Of course, with Huffington... |
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Believe it or not, a lot of us are unhappy with Bush over Iraq because he hasn’t fought the war hard enough. For example, the first bleating about how badly we treat prisoners should have been greeted with a pointed reminder that non-uniformed combatants are considered the same as pirates under international law, subject to immediate execution, and a general order to do just that.
As for Iran, the first weapons shipment caught should have triggered the destruction of their gasoline refinery. |
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Believe it or not, a lot of us are unhappy with Bush over Iraq because he hasn’t fought the war hard enough. Ah, you’re just another "Bush hater." :-) |
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Scott Erb
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Could you continue to miss the point if I impaled you on it.
Whenever you want to start talking about "70% of Americans don’t support the war", think about how much of that 70% is people like me. |
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Whenever you want to start talking about "70% of Americans don’t support the war", think about how much of that 70% is people like me. I suspect not many. |
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Scott Erb
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Reason: "My understanding is that on immigration, quite a few Dems agree with the GOP "base". See the latest polls (one of which I link in another thread). According to that poll, 56% of Democrats agree with the Republican base on this issue.
Propaganda:"I suspect not many." |
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Propaganda: Propaganda is to quote a poll about immigration and then pull a line talking about the Iraq war and pretending that line was about immigration.
Your propaganda is, however, ineffective and transparent. All one has to do is look up to the post above it. You try, Robert, you get credit for effort. |
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Professor Erb. I’ll bet you are a killer on term papers. Reading comprehension.
The frame was simple enough: Reason vs. Propaganda. Yes, the Reason statement concerned one subject and the Propaganda statement concerned another. No matter. No reader above the eighth grade should have become so confused. Or is it that you are attempting (yet again) to desregard the framing altogether in order to set up a point you wish to make?
Credit for effort? The appropriate grade is C+. "I suspect not many" is really more an opinion that a statement; still, an opinion designed to make a propaganda point. Of course an unbiased grader would award a B+, but that is not whom we are dealing with here, is it? |
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"I suspect not many" is really more an opinion that a statement; still, an opinion designed to make a propaganda point. Are all opinions just propaganda points, or only those you disagree with? |
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Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. |
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