Global warming was just a stick to beat us with. When the AGM theory came out, I remembered that Global Cooling had been the previous hot buttom. And the proposal solution was *exactly* the same. And proposed by the same people.
WHatever the problem is the answer is always the same: more socialism and turning control over to the same people.
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WHatever the problem is the answer is always the same: more socialism and turning control over to the same people. The bottom line, in every sense of the phrase. |
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We all need to calm down, cool down (no pun intended) and quit playing politics with something as important as this issue. Well now, here’s where we diverge a little bit in terms of opinion. You had me until here.
If the amount of warming involved is unlikely to cause any great calamity for mankind or the planet, and if man not responsible for it in the first place, could someone please explain to me why it’s supposedly so important?
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If the amount of warming involved is unlikely to cause any great calamity for mankind or the planet, and if man not responsible for it in the first place, could someone please explain to me why it’s supposedly so important? Because any overall warming will cause changes in the environment, some good, some bad, and it would be nice if we could talk about them without getting all hyper, figure out what those changes might be, and, in the case of "bad" see if there’s anything (there may be nothing we can do) we can do to ameliorate the effect. |
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Because any overall warming will cause changes in the environment, some good, some bad, and it would be nice if we could talk about them without getting all hyper, figure out what those changes might be, and, in the case of "bad" see if there’s anything (there may be nothing we can do) we can do to ameliorate the effect. Nicely put, McQ. After four years plus, you seem to be getting the hang of this. |
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Trackbacked by The Thunder Run - Web Reconnaissance for 08/30/2007
A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often. |
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Because any overall warming will cause changes in the environment, some good, some bad, and it would be nice if we could talk about them without getting all hyper, figure out what those changes might be, and, in the case of "bad" see if there’s anything (there may be nothing we can do) we can do to ameliorate the effect. I take your point, but if past is prologue, the mere act of discussion gives way to "getting all hyper". I am weary in the extreme of giving theories like this any credibility whatsoever, because the outcome is always the same... that way lies Al Gore, John Edwards, John Kerry, and so on. The proposals being brought forward to solve this "crisis" invariably have political power for leftists, and economic devastation listed amongst the outcomes of their implementation.
Where there is power to be had, political power, financial power, social power, there is more than enough reason for injecting panic on these issues. Put another way, it becomes nothing more than a tool by which to lord over the rest of us. If you want a calm discussion about the situation, it would appear to me that the only way to have such, is to completely remove politics from the discussion. Since we both know that’s not possible...
(sigh)
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Well, you can make the same point with regards to debate about the Iraq War. To many people (on all sides) arguing from an ideological/political/emotional viewpoint, rather then debating the merits of a particular argument.
But, that’s some consensus, 45% giving explicit or implicit endorsement... |
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Interesting, that you should choose that particular source, just now, Keith. |
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It seems to me that evidence is mounting, as science continues to look into the issue, that human activity probably isn’t the primary cause of the phenomenon and that warming isn’t necessarily a catastrophic event
This is just a fascinating sentence in so many ways. What does McQ look at to conclude that evidence for a particular viewpoint is "mounting"? How does he control for his own biases? Has he read RealClimate and the other solid sources of mainstream viewpoints? Has he engaged in the comments there?
What is the "phenomenon" at issue? Global warming or anthropogenic global warming? (If the second, then by definition human activity is the primary cause.)
This post so neatly falls into the classic four phases of conservative enviromental analysis:
A. The phenomenon isn’t happening.
B. It is happening, but it’s natural.
C. It is happening, and it’s caused by people, but it’s not dangerous.
D. It is happening, and it’s human-caused, and it’s dangerous, but it’s now too late to do anything about it.
Based on what I read, I’d say that the evidence is mounting that the odds of catastrophic failure of either the Greenland or Antartica icecaps within 100 years are rising. |
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Based on what I read, I’d say that the evidence is mounting that the odds of catastrophic failure of either the Greenland or Antartica icecaps within 100 years are rising. And given that is seems that has previously happened during human existence at least once without any ’catastrophic’ result, what’s your point? |
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This is just a fascinating sentence in so many ways. What does McQ look at to conclude that evidence for a particular viewpoint is "mounting"? Uh, what McQ quoted at top? The part about the change in scientific consensus, perhaps? Has he read RealClimate and the other solid sources of mainstream viewpoints? Has he engaged in the comments there? When is RealClimate a better authority than the actual scientific lititure? Well, obviously, when it better fits your political beliefs. |
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Barring actual evidence of it appearing, Global Warming* (TM) will close up shop inside of five years without showing a profit.
*For persons who are not frequent readers, Global Warming (TM) is shorthand for the sales pitch and the effort sell the concept that human generated global warming is obviously such a big problem that we need to take costly and dramatic steps NOW to enable government to prevent further damage.
No Sale.
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp |
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Based on what I read, I’d say that the evidence is mounting that the odds of catastrophic failure of either the Greenland or Antartica icecaps within 100 years are rising. By catastrophic failure, do you mean Greenland and Antartica will cease to exist? Sink underneath the rising waters of the world’s oceans? Melt away into oblivion? Be cut up and served for Sunday brunch at your local organic vegetarian restaurant? What exactly do you mean by "catastrophic failure"? |
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Thank you SShiell, that was my instant question.
Catastrophic failure?
It’s natural Francis, they can’t ’fail’ because they’re not intended to DO anything, it’s like sh!t, they just happened, and now they may un-happen.
Mother Nature may be moving your cheese Francis. That’s the way she works. |
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I wonder where our itinerant AGW proponents are?
Kav. Kav. /BenSteinVoice
Yours, TDP, ml, msl, & pfpp
PS. Fred Thompson and Ben Stein, that’s the ticket!!! |
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Tom Perkins
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"without getting all hyper,.."
And that, sir, is the crux of it.
Algore first used the term "consensus" back in 1992 when there was virtually zero empirical research in existence.
The whole issue continues to exist because of HYPER! It’s like a strong dose of uppers, not to mention fodder for the statist elitists! |
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