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When government runs your healthcare ...
Posted by: McQ on Tuesday, June 10, 2008

Remember the outcry when Cigna wouldn't approve what it considered experimental liver transplant surgery for a young woman (Cigna later approved it but she died before the operation could be performed)?

Remember how we were told that under a government insurance plan, that would never happen.

Well, if Canada is any example, and I think they are, those who claimed government would see something like that through my need to rethink their claim:
A Filipino nanny with terminal cancer in Toronto has been ordered back to her native country because of healthcare costs to the Canadian government.

Juana Tejada, 38, was diagnosed with colon cancer in 2006 after arriving on a federal three-year work permit as a live-in caregiver in 2003, but the disease has spread to her lungs, and she is now diagnosed as a terminal Stage Four cancer patient, the Toronto Star reported Monday.

Tejada asked Citizenship and Immigration Canada to reconsider her visa renewal but a letter from the agency denied the request.

"In the opinion of a medical officer, this health condition might reasonably be expected to cause excessive demand on health and social services," the letter said.
Now, of course, the argument is going to be, "she isn't even a citizen". No, but she's certainly a legal resident who apparently, to this point, was given treatment.

But more importantly, it should be obvious that the Canadian government won't hesitate to refuse treatment to someone, humanitarian grounds be damned. Assuming they'd extend such a refusal to citizens isn't at all far fetched. They can't send them home, but they certainly can refuse to continue treatment because doing so would "cause excessive demand on health and social services".

Given this example, how far do you think a young woman wanting an experimental liver transplant would get in such a system?

(HT: Tom Scott)
 
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Given this example, how far do you think a young woman wanting an experimental liver transplant would get in such a system?
not at all. The waiting line for routine operations is years long. But the waiting line for these types of operations is remarkably short. You know, social justice and all that. Resources that could be saving peoples lives are being spent for an over wrought deeply cosmetic frivolity.

Yes, from the land that brought you HRCs and allowing sharia courts to run on muslim family matters. The US doesn’t need that crap.
 
Written By: capt joe
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the link to the article
 
Written By: capt joe
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Oh yeah, the link. Thanks capt joe.
 
Written By: McQ
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B-b-b-b-ut it’s freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
 
Written By: come on, please
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When I left Kanuckistan, they started getting anal about the health care ID card. They added the latest in anti-conterfeit measures. In fact they may have even added photo-ID to it, but that was after my time.

Anyway the underlying implication was that Americans were sneaking accross the border and defrauding the system and that was the reason it was failing. The notion was ludicrous that was occuring on any significant scale, but "It couldn’t be the system".
 
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Perhaps the woman should appeal to the Human Rights Commission.

LOL
 
Written By: Neo
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I’m gonna have to disagree, they have rules and she wants them to change them.
Now, I’m as against gov’t run health-care as the next guy (as long as the next guy is really, really, really against the gov’t being in charge of healthcare), but...

which grants permanent resident status to domestic workers after they complete their three-year assignments and obtain the necessary medical and criminal-record clearances.

Okay, so she had to pass a medical clearance, and she didn’t so she wants to change the rules.

Tejada appealed to immigration officials to waive the good-health requirement for humanitarian reasons.

That surely sucks, but life sucks. To quote that eminent philosopher, the Dread Pirate Roberts, anyone who tells you different is trying to sell you something.
 
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I am guessing it is okay to deny medical care to someone for preexisting conditions, lack of resources, or non-covered condition as long as you are the government and not a nasty old HMO or other greedy, exploitive, and heartless private sector entity.
 
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That surely sucks, but life sucks.
Well, rules are made to be broken. Most provinces have declared that certain items like eye exams are now payable by the citizens. However, if you read the other link, you would see that the Ontario minister of Health has decided to have sex change operations funded by the tax payer (since they were not before).
Tejada appealed to immigration officials to waive the good-health requirement for humanitarian reasons.
They waive it all the time but mostly they waive it when criminal records checks fail, not medical ones. Look at all the Tamil tigers who pay a ton of money in political contributions to the local Federal liberal party. Paul Martin who was leader of the party and Prime Minister for example.

I like Ed Morrisey’s take on it
Got that? They wanted Juana to come to Canada so she could serve Canadians who needed home health care. When Juana got sick, the same health care service for which she worked couldn’t be bothered to foot the bill for her treatments. Juana worked and paid into that system for three years before they discovered that she would “cause excessive demand” for her treatment.
It kills me when I hear people complain if a private company follows rules but then use the rules when the government does the same thing.



 
Written By: capt joe
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Just to be clear about the anecdote about the girl and the liver transplant. The insurance company initially rejected her claim because some aspect of the transplant was deemed experimental. However, the UCLA transplant program decided to go ahead with the transplant anyway. She died while they were trying to find a suitable liver donor. At about the same time, the insurance company reversed its earlier decision and agreed to pay for the transplant. That annecdote was yet another (just like the woman who died in Ohio who HRC lied about) lie promulgated by Democrats to support their health care power grab.

That being said, Canada is a joke. I am currently undergoing physical therapy for a herniated disc. My therapist is originally from Canada. Yesterday she told me that her father injured his knee (ligament damage) several years ago and she was able to get him in to see an orthopedic surgeon with whom she had worked before she moved to the US. If she hadn’t been able to get him to the head of the line (I’m pretty sure that is against their law) he would have had to wait approximately 6 months for an MRI and aonther 12 months for surgery. She said that the delay would have made his injury much worse.

That is the system that the messiah wants to impose on us. Does anyone really believe that Barak or Michelle Obama would go down to their local clinic and get on the waiting list if they got sick. They would pull rank and, without any self awareness, go to the front of the line.
 
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Does anyone really believe that Barak or Michelle Obama would go down to their local clinic and get on the waiting list if they got sick.
Do you think they are subject to the same rules as us little people —> pshaw!

If she hadn’t been able to get him to the head of the line (I’m pretty sure that is against their law) he would have had to wait approximately 6 months for an MRI and aonther 12 months for surgery.
Yeah, it is against the law. You also are not allowed to pay for private care since that too is against the law.

If you have to get a hernia operation then that is 8 months. Most people waiting for MRI wait a min of 3 months. Operations for hips/knees, etc take a few years.

But hey, maybe all that socialized medicine will reduce the population and immigration problems since people will be dying on waiting lists

 
Written By: capt joe
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kills me when I hear people complain if a private company follows rules but then use the rules when the government does the same thing.

I don’t know if that was directed toward me, but I don’t complain about a private company following the rules either.

I’ll complain about a rule being stupid, and perhaps the Canadian one is, but that’s not what I was talking about.

But I bet it was put in to stop people who want to come to Canada only to get the free healthcare and figure that getting a job as a nanny is a small price to pay. It’s hard enough to pay for their own people much less the rest of the world.
 
Written By: Veeshir
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But I bet it was put in to stop people who want to come to Canada only to get the free healthcare and figure that getting a job as a nanny is a small price to pay. It’s hard enough to pay for their own people much less the rest of the world.
Well, she spent years in Canada LEGALLY doing crappy jobs in order to qualify as a LEGAL immigrant. In order to come to Canada originally as part of the worker visa program (foreign caregiver), she had to pass medical examinations. Therefore, her cancer developed only after she was in Canada since she was not diagnosed with cancer when she arrived.

As part of the "rules", she has free medical coverage and it was only because she applied for a change of status that they deported her. If she had remained on her caregiver visa they would have had to treat her. So they used a loophole to dump her. Nice move.

But hey, the Ontario government seems to have money for free sex change operations for those who want them.

Maybe if they spent money on important things like saving peoples lives, but hey social agendas are always more important.
 
Written By: capt joe
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Doesn’t the government already run your healthcare, through the VA?
 
Written By: Retief
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It would if it was my only source of health care, but it’s not - so no, it doesn’t run my healthcare.

Thanks goodness.
 
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